The Murder of Goldia Massey | Part 6 of 7

Put yourself in the shoes of a murder suspect as we unravel the complex relationship between Zach and Goldia Massey. Learn how the tension, drug use, and arguments could be a recipe for disaster and how we, as investigators, navigated the labyrinth of inconsistencies between Zach and Paris's stories. Be a part of our encounter with Zach in the Paris County Jail and bear witness to his emotional reaction to the news of Goldia's death. Can the questions he asks hint at his innocence? Tune in to find out.

But there's more. We take you on a thrilling journey as we dissect Zach's desperate plea for money, a move that opened the gates of vulnerability and trust in us. Imagine yourself analyzing a government housing unit's cleaning report and experiencing the suspenseful wait for DNA test results from samples collected at Paris's house. What would it feel like unmasking manipulation tactics of Paris, uncovering a history of domestic violence, and finding a potential murder weapon? Join us as we construct this puzzle piece by piece, and get closer to the truth of what really happened to Goldie Massey. Are you ready to step into this riveting investigation?

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Transcript

Steve McCowen: 0:02

We know Goldie's no longer missing her on the run right. So now we have Zach and Zach and Paris.

David Lyons: 0:07

Right.

Steve McCowen: 0:08

She's not with anyone. She's not on the run, she's not running from her past. She's not running from owing people money. She's deceased. We know that, and now we know one or two people. Probably is the one that did it.

Wendy Lyons: 0:20

Morning. The podcast you're about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. The link in our description is advised. Welcome to the Murder Police podcast the murder of Goldie Massey, part six.

Chris Schoonover: 0:55

Goldie, if you need anything, I know that you've been in trouble before, but I know that if you need anything, you and I are from Paris. We know our families know each other. I'll do anything for you, whatever you need you let me know which explains why Paris has seen his truck before, because and Greg even told us he's like on one occasion I remember mowing.

Steve McCowen: 1:17

I remember mowing Goldie's grass at her apartment on Range course and Paris had seen me there and we're like, oh, that makes sense, because she's asked, he's asked her what his name is to get Greg. And he's also seen the white truck in the driveway when stuff got moved out, but it's Kim's truck.

Wendy Lyons: 1:37

So he's thinking it's Greg's white truck. But it's not Greg's white truck, it's Kim's white truck.

Steve McCowen: 1:40

It's a culmination of people that he's trying to validate the story to, and what we were able to do with Greg also, is Greg drove a truck for Toyota, so we were able to go to Toyota, get his trucking when he was on the road and determine that Greg was actually gone during the time.

Chris Schoonover: 1:59

Because every trucker has to have a log. For the listeners that don't know, every trucker has to have a log. Plus, they have to have a sign-in sheet, time sheet for the company they work for. So that's what we did. We knew nowadays it's very hard to get away with the perfect murder, so unless you're a bad detective, by the way. But if you go back and do your due diligence, you can collect these records, put them in a timeline and any jury would go ahead and understand what you're laying out for a guilty verdict.

David Lyons: 2:31

Which I think that's what juries need is they need that picture painted in great detail. That's why you do those things.

Steve McCowen: 2:39

They need that chronology of the events as they happen.

David Lyons: 2:42

A little bit of proof.

Chris Schoonover: 2:44

But Stephen and I are already worried. So we have all this great evidence against old Paris Charles, right. And we've left our son, zach Massey, out in the wind. We've talked to him in jail, right. So Stephen and I decide well, when's the right time to go talk to Zach, to where he's feeling comfortable, where, if he didn't, we need a confession from him, because Paris is not our only suspect at this point. Yeah, you have to close those loops.

Steve McCowen: 3:18

Oh yeah, and I think, going back a little bit, that we've talked about, we know Goldie's no longer missing her on the run, right? So now we have Zach and Zach and Paris, right, she's not with anyone, she's not on the run, she's not running from her past, she's not running from owing people money, she's deceased. We know that. And now we know one or two people probably is the one that did it, right. So we need to focus on those two and we know we really needed to. We had to get Zach out of the picture because there is this relationship that people have told her. You know they would cuss at one another, yeah, they would yell at one another and they would get pissed off at one another. So, and they did drugs together and they did drugs together. So you know that's that is a recipe for problems.

Steve McCowen: 4:00

Oh, yeah, so so we had to, we had to kind of hone in on that Right.

Chris Schoonover: 4:04

So we made an arrangement to meet Zach at the jail in Paris County because he was coming up for his trial, and our approach to that we talked about this again Our approach to that was to see what his reaction was. I don't think, stephen. I had told him that his mother mother's remains were had been found at this point and so we had gone into the jail to watch his expression. Not that, and Stephen, I heard very especially Steve with the corner. When he goes to make family notifications, there's no proper reaction. Anybody that says there's a proper reaction. That is not true at all.

Chris Schoonover: 4:46

I'm glad you said that.

David Lyons: 4:47

Yeah.

Chris Schoonover: 4:47

So what we are reading is his reaction to our being there once we tell him right, right, we're expecting him to be emotional, we know this right, but the questions he asks after that are very important.

David Lyons: 5:06

Yeah, Cause, just for listeners, this has not been on the news. Anything that talks about being identified and again cause people fight with his transparers, anything and and what, but none of that's in the news. So this would be a code hit for him, right.

Steve McCowen: 5:21

Absolutely. I mean he. Nothing has been put out there. No one knows that we've found these body parts or anything like we've linked anything together. Nothing, nothing has been said, and even he didn't know that which is another reason why police and investigators don't share those details. That's so solid 100%.

David Lyons: 5:39

Again, that's a frustration some people have, but the end result is the right case and the truthful case and not curiosity, right.

Chris Schoonover: 5:47

And he covers every category. He asks the proper questions of what she shot, what she stabbed. I mean, those are proper questions If you're throwing us off. Yeah, what did she suffer? Blah blah, blah blah. Where is she? Where was she found? Are we going to have a funeral, right? And can we have a funeral? Blah blah blah. Anybody that has murdered Goldie? No, she's in parts. You're not going to have a funeral or an open casket or what the ceremony is.

Steve McCowen: 6:21

He asked all the proper questions in his reaction and I think most importantly, we were asking pointed questions to know what reaction we should get from him.

David Lyons: 6:33

There we go.

Steve McCowen: 6:34

Right. I mean we were asking specific things that only a person that did it would know, right. So he shouldn't have a reaction to that and I think we felt good coming out of that interview knowing that Zach didn't have anything to do with it.

Chris Schoonover: 6:47

Yeah, as far as tools, what he did for a living when he was not on drugs, and how do you compensate for family taking care of the family, things like that. The other thing that he asked was have you talked to Paris? It was big, and so we left the jail feeling pretty confident that it wasn't him.

Steve McCowen: 7:11

Zach was convinced that Paris did it. Did you?

Wendy Lyons: 7:13

ask him why? Or did you get a feeling of why he thought Paris did it?

Steve McCowen: 7:17

Not so much asked him why it was, just he really felt that Paris did it. And even going back to the when the first missing persons report was taken, paris his name was mentioned in the very beginning. You know what I mean. And in talking to Paris, this is what Paris had told him. And then we start finding inconsistencies in what Paris had told him. The more that we talked to Paris and other people, zach just felt like you know, he was the guy.

Chris Schoonover: 7:48

Here's a very important question. It just came to me. If you recall, we asked Zach. So on that first interview, zach never admitted that he asked Paris for money. When we talked to Paris initially at the doorstep, he said yeah, the family, zach and his girlfriend, came over and wanted to borrow $20 for diapers from me. So I asked Zach. I said if you felt that strongly that he did it, why would you ever borrow money from him? That doesn't make sense. No, and he said I have a daughter to care for and I was not making any money and I was addicted to drugs. I'm sober now.

Steve McCowen: 8:29

That makes sense.

Chris Schoonover: 8:30

I wanted to have my daughter to have clean diapers. There we go.

Steve McCowen: 8:34

And that makes sense.

Chris Schoonover: 8:35

What man really that was trying to take care of his family would ever admit that Yep, so that kind of sold us.

Steve McCowen: 8:43

And it was more of an opening up of Zach to us about all of that that made us feel more comfortable that he didn't have anything to do with it, some sense of vulnerability on this part.

Chris Schoonover: 8:54

I would never admit that as a husband or a father.

Steve McCowen: 8:57

And I think that's what is important is his emissions, because if you're holding things back, then that makes you look more culpable, but I mean he laid it all out there for us when we felt good.

Chris Schoonover: 9:09

So I think we eliminated him. But to the listeners, no, we really didn't. In the court of law. So now we still have Goldie Massey living with Zach and Samantha Smiley in government housing. I would love to have somebody here to ask them what they would do. But what we did I think we did very well at. We went to the government housing and asked for when they moved Samantha out. We wanted to know, we wanted a copy of all their damages and cleaning records to clean it, to discover what they had to do to get that apartment to maintain to run again to another runner.

Steve McCowen: 9:48

We were making sure that carpet didn't get removed.

David Lyons: 9:51

There we go.

Steve McCowen: 9:51

Walls were painted something that would be indicative of a body being cut up within the apartment Smart. So that's, that was our, the goal that we were trying to accomplish there. And then with just minor things, a few holes in the wall, you know nail holes, nothing major. So we were able to get the report from her and I guess some contractors come in and did a little bit of minor work, did some, just some minor painting, but nothing that was no carpet removal or anything like that.

Chris Schoonover: 10:21

And we submitted that in discovery right. So now the defense has to come up with some other defense that it was not her son.

David Lyons: 10:29

Right.

Chris Schoonover: 10:31

So at that point, while the DNA is off is off. We're waiting for the DNA results to come back, we interview them, we get the cleaning report and January 6th we get that cleaning report and we place it in the file. Um, it's not until January 26th.

Steve McCowen: 10:50

A year later.

Chris Schoonover: 10:51

Yeah, that we get the DNA testing results.

Steve McCowen: 10:54

and they were goalty masses that were on the wall found in uh so there's this, yeah, the swabs that we submitted from the, from the um duplex, from the original search warrant I think two different swabs that we submitted were one in 20 quintillion that they were goldies. That was Goldie's blood, Her DNA. That's a one in quintillion one in 20 quintillion, and I remember telling this to Paris. I'm like that's 80 fucking zeros bro.

David Lyons: 11:25

Are in Dumb and Dumber. That's 80 zeros. There's still a chance, yeah.

Chris Schoonover: 11:30

So there's still a chance. Mary Mary Samson, swimming, swimming he's wants it, samson.

David Lyons: 11:37

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Not making light, but when you talk about that. But that's the funny thing is that that's astronomical.

Steve McCowen: 11:46

The population of the world is 7.5.

Chris Schoonover: 11:49

So on January 26th we're waiting for um the DNA because we sent it in to KSP on December 18th and, as if everybody knows, it's not a commercial break Like on CSI, everybody watches the TV show Um, and I hate those people. So if you're one of those listeners, I don't want to die. You know you should probably watch something else First.

David Lyons: 12:12

48, but anyway, murder police podcast on murder police.

Chris Schoonover: 12:16

Yes, spend that time with murder police and listen to the several podcasts. Alec Johnson's a good one, but anyway, january 26th, um, we got the results that determined the DNA that collected from just a few samples in, uh, charles Parris's house. Parris, charles's house.

David Lyons: 12:36

Any idea where in my catch off guard, where were the samples found?

Chris Schoonover: 12:41

It was from the wall and in the dining room.

Steve McCowen: 12:45

Well, I believe, if I remember correctly, one of them was from the hallway area on the wall. Uh, and then I don't. I can look at the lab um request. While Chris is talking, I can. I can figure out exactly where that word is.

Chris Schoonover: 12:58

I think you know what. Here's a great story.

Steve McCowen: 13:01

I think maybe shower.

Chris Schoonover: 13:02

It was a shower, because he came up with a story why we found her blood in the shower. On the second interview, there we go. Yes, Um, so that gave us grounds which is unheard of and a homicide case to get a second search warrant. Have you ever done a second search warrant? Yes, I have.

Wendy Lyons: 13:22

Really? Yeah, of course you have. You've done it all yeah.

Chris Schoonover: 13:25

So of course yeah, I have not.

David Lyons: 13:27

This was a very unusual, I did it on a really bad uh abduction rape case where we uh had a, had articulable stuff from the victim and searched a residence and when we got to the residence and the location it matched, matched, matched, and then it didn't match and then we uh got some new information within just a few hours of another residence a couple of blocks away, applied for a search warrant, got it, and when they tried on a suppression we still won that because everything the judge said is that all of the matter that we used for probable calls did make sense. It was reliable, it kept every time we walked down the basement of the first search warrant, from the smell that she described to the sizes of the walls, the concrete walls, all of that matched. And then the second one hit.

David Lyons: 14:16

So, yes, I've done a second one. Uh, I've done many on this. Are you talking about the same location? Same location. Yeah, yeah, oh, here in Jessamine County on London to White, we went back to a house here in Nicholasville twice and left with a lot of, uh, baseboards and pieces of walls and we had our own saws, saws and things like that and uh. But uh, yeah, I've done them in the same house and then I've done them over Reestablished probable cause too.

Steve McCowen: 14:41

So neat stuff and that was, I think, for us. That was what we were. We were sort of throwing back and forth and I think really what helped us out? And when I talked, when we talked about before, it was just the limited scope that we had, we had asked for in the beginning, there we go.

Steve McCowen: 14:56

You know, and we we kind of limited it to the things that we were looking for. But on the second one it was wide open. We, we were looking for a lot more, and I think the judge that reviewed it and I don't remember who it was understood what we we had found initially, and now we're asking for more.

David Lyons: 15:14

Yeah, Because it's. It's a stair step progress Right On it is it makes a logical step Right. Serendipity comes into play. You're now legally so. You go into a place and you have a limited scope and you see something outside the scope, then you stop. How many times when we were in the on a homicide unit, you'd get into a, an apartment and you saw clear indications of drug trafficking. You'd stop. You'd have to. You could stay in your scope, but you'd have to.

David Lyons: 15:39

Usually we'd stop and call the NARCs and say would you all cut a second paper on this house to go deeper on that, because the narcotics search warrant had a more narrow, broader scope.

Steve McCowen: 15:49

A gun doesn't fit in a thimble.

David Lyons: 15:51

There we go that's it Right. So good stuff, good stuff.

Steve McCowen: 15:54

Absolutely and what, and to go along. I mean, when Chris was talking about, as you know, we talked about it amongst everybody and Chris and me and Reed Bowles at the time and you know Reed was really good at writing search warrants so we're like, hey, this is what we got, let's sit down and let's all come up with this. And Reed did a really good job in writing that search warrant to get us in there that second time, based upon what we had found, what we learned, and you know what we were really looking for.

Chris Schoonover: 16:20

And so I'm going to come back to you, Steve. So in the meantime, between that second search warrant and the DNA results coming back, Charles Parris's story about his girlfriend we're assuming is Goldie, but when we go ahead and run a history on Paris, we see that he's got domestic violence charges or a restraining order against another individual. And lo and behold.

Wendy Lyons: 16:51

After Goldie yes.

Steve McCowen: 16:52

Or during Goldie too. It was actually after Goldie, so they had. They had been acquaintances and in the meantime a girl by the name of Valley Younger had been seeing Paris and they had. They had gotten into a domestic violence situation and actually been to court and, if I remember correctly, goldie went and testified in Paris's defense. He did yes.

Chris Schoonover: 17:18

She about.

Steve McCowen: 17:20

You know she had. He had never done anything to her things. That nature, that's not a pattern. To try to make Valerie look bad. So yeah, it was it we had. We had found that out in in running a history on Paris, that he had had other domestic violence people, that he had been associated with this sort of same pattern that he is he had ultimately done to Goldie and talking to Valerie, I mean she was very descriptive on what Paris was doing to her, that he was very she did stab him with a fork.

Chris Schoonover: 17:54

He wasn't lying, but it wasn't the right girlfriend. She did stab him with a fork, like. Steve said he gathers pieces of things to just throw them out and make a patch, which is not dumb at all. No, it's not. And the sword was an issue. The sword was found in the search warrant, but actually it was used on Valerie. When they got an argument, she took the sword and hit him on the forearm with it.

Wendy Lyons: 18:16

So the bump on the arm was from Valerie, but he was saying it's from Goldie.

Chris Schoonover: 18:21

Well, no he just said it was his girlfriend.

Steve McCowen: 18:24

He just said it was his girlfriend. Right, right. We just assumed that it was from the altercation that they had had previously.

Wendy Lyons: 18:32

So do you think Goldie knew he was seeing Valerie?

Steve McCowen: 18:34

100% yeah yeah, I think that that was probably a lot of the contention that led to. What ultimately happened was he's a very controlling person. He was very. When he got intoxicated, he was very bullish, I mean out of control.

Chris Schoonover: 18:57

Actually, now that we've had this conversation and I don't know how you're going to add this in but he actually said Goldie was too thick for him. He liked thinner women and Goldie was just somebody that attached herself to him. He wasn't really attracted to her sexually.

David Lyons: 19:16

You remember this? Now I remember oh, this is important stuff. First interview.

Chris Schoonover: 19:20

Yeah, first interview he was like denial I'd do her if I had no other choice to be very crude about it and that she was very thick. She was very nice person, but she was not his body type. At this point she had been through life enough that it wasn't attractive to him and she was just a crazy woman addicted to drugs.

David Lyons: 19:43

So much dissonance and that's what I'm hearing is again maybe a slight amount of blaming, but pushing away from that, it's just like he makes the qualifiers as to offering too much information.

Steve McCowen: 19:54

I don't know why I wouldn't do it there again wow, a pretty manipulative cat.

David Lyons: 20:01

Pretty manipulative cat.

Chris Schoonover: 20:03

So after the second interview with the actual girlfriend on February 2nd, we obtained a search warrant to go back into his apartment, which is quite a time difference to get probable cause to go back in there, which I was very happy with, and I think part of the reasoning was that he had painted, tried to cover up a few things. So at that point, same approach. It was great. Steve and I knew that we didn't want the forensic unit to be seen in the background, but we knew when we went back there we already had told Paris when we come back, it's to arrest you for the murder of Golden Mass.

David Lyons: 20:52

Yes, yes.

Chris Schoonover: 20:53

And it was the most. I don't think I can't remember ever a time where, even with you and I, Dave, we always threatened to come back. And when I come back you're going to be arrested and going to prison. You're not going to jail. And I remember Steve. He loves Steve for some reason. I knock on the door and he looks at Steve. Oh sure, when he opens the door and I said Paris, I told him to stay coming. He goes Paris. I told you if I came back. He didn't listen to me. I was like get your shit, let's go.

Steve McCowen: 21:30

And I was like you know why we're here. He's like OK, I'll get my stuff. And he just went and got his stuff. He's like can I get dressed? I'm like yeah, go get your stuff on, let's go.

Chris Schoonover: 21:38

And we walked in the apartment with him and he just followed whatever Steve said. I was never felt that there was a threat. He was a big man, but I think he was a womanizer and that's where his ground was. And Steve just let him know.

David Lyons: 21:57

So you think back how many times all of us and other people that have done this will agree we put murders in the front seat, or we took murders down in something that didn't have a cage, or we went into their home and had that conversation. And what I'm getting at is that TV. Again, I compare things to Hollywood and TV. So much on the violence and everything, but how many murders we dealt with. It just went along with the program and I hope people don't misinterpret this, but we didn't saddle up the RU or SWAT and it wasn't because we had tombstone courage. But knowing who they are is that's not where the fight's going to be.

Wendy Lyons: 22:42

Now, that doesn't mean it for all of them people who are barricaded in.

David Lyons: 22:45

necessarily. That's a whole different ball of wax. But always thought of again one thing to protect that non-custodial interview thing how is a casual ride almost like an Uber ride?

Wendy Lyons: 22:59

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David Lyons: 23:06

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David Lyons: 24:06

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