Goodbye 2023, Hello 2024!

As the sun sets on 2023, we extend our heartfelt thanks to you, our global family, for joining us on a journey through darkness and light in the realm of true crime. We've shared tears and triumphs, recalling the chilling unraveling of Todd Schumacher's murder and the haunting void left by Michael Keith Gourley and Kevin 'KJacks' Jackson. Our reflections are interwoven with personal tales, including an unexpected encounter with a listener that reminded us why we do what we do. With a promise of more heart-gripping content, let's raise a glass to the future stories that await in 2024.

Our conversations this past year were amplified by the wisdom of Lieutenant Jai Hamilton, Rob Wilson, Chris Schoonover, and Steve McCowan, —guardians of justice whose insights have enlightened and inspired. We ventured into the digital space with our YouTube channel and paid homage to Ray the DA, whose legacy lives on like a beacon in the night. Yet, as we invest in these new platforms, our core mission remains steadfast: to honor victims of crime and to honor those affected by its reach.

As narrators of the untold, we're committed to bridging the gap between the statistics and the human experience. We've shared the joy and sorrow of life on the farm, our new adventures in television, and the excitement of forthcoming David's book. But it's the personal quest for answers, like Jessica's tireless search for truth about her son, David, that underscores our dedication to this craft. Together, we'll continue to build a community that's passionate, engaged, and always hungry for justice. So, keep your headphones close and your hearts open as we step into another year of unraveling mysteries with the Murder Police Podcast, where you will always find True Crime and Real Detectives.

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Transcript

David Lyons: 0:01

Well, in moving through 2023 as far as the podcast goes, one other thing happened a couple of times in 2023. And speaking of Angie watching TV shows is Morning.

Wendy Lyons: 0:17

The podcast you're about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the Murder Police Podcast. Goodbye 2023 and hello 2024. Welcome back, I'm Wendy.

David Lyons: 0:57

And I'm David.

Wendy Lyons: 0:58

Well, david, you know we've been off the grid for a little bit and I thought it would be great for us to do an episode to recap what happened in 2023 and let our listeners know what they can expect in 2024.

David Lyons: 1:12

I agree. I think it's a good idea, because we did kind of go quiet for there for a while, but there was a lot of things going on here on the farm and some projects have been working on and getting things scheduled. So I know we weren't there with any episodes, but they're coming and this is a good way to start 2024 out for sure. Before we start that, though, I do want to take a minute to thank all the listeners coming. It's incredible how many people have downloaded this in the last three years, and we couldn't have this show without you, obviously, in that it's a hobby for us, but I think we're still pinching ourselves at the popularity that we've gained and the way the audience continues to grow, and that's all over the world.

Wendy Lyons: 1:50

I think it's great. It is, I mean, when you often tell me of the places that we're charting in, I mean I'll be honest, I have to look some of the places up because I've never heard of some of them. So I'm certainly impressed and excited at the same time, and I think we I've had a couple of occurrences where I've been places and maybe have on a murder police shirt or talk about it, and someone will mention that they listened to the Murder Police podcast, and then I kind of don't know whether to tell them that we do it or just listen to what they have to say. But they're so excited and I, you know, obviously I go on and tell them, but it is very exciting that people listen and it's just literally an idea that you came up with while mowing grass one day.

David Lyons: 2:34

Yeah, where most of my good ideas come up with. I think so. So, yeah, for sure. I remember when we were in Florida last year and we were at that Cuban bar and we gave that swag out and the woman opened. She goes oh, I subscribed to this, you know who does that one, and I'm like, yeah we do.

David Lyons: 2:49

And so it is crazy and you know when I travel, when I teach is that I've had several instances where a student in the class where I'm teaching in a state far from here, has listened to before.

David Lyons: 3:00

And it's just, it's ironic and it's also we're going to talk in a little bit it's led to some other opportunities and some different exposure that we didn't have before. So, that said, if you listen to us, thank you, thank you, thank you If you're new to us and the Murder Police podcast, and do us a big favor and subscribe and on your auto, on your podcast platform and our YouTube channel and set everything up to download everything automatically so that you don't miss an episode and stick with this. Tons of great stuff coming. Tons of great stuff coming.

Wendy Lyons: 3:31

Well, why don't we look at the episodes that we published in 2023 and kind of talk about those a little bit and talk about what maybe our listeners can expect in 2024 and kind of, maybe talk about some things that happened with us.

Wendy Lyons: 3:46

We've had a couple of losses and a couple of gains. As far as our farm animals go, I know we covered a good bit of domestic violence in 2023 and that started with the murder of Todd Schumacher and that was a four-part series, I do believe, and we brought on Lieutenant Jai Hamilton with the Fayette County Animal Control and she played a vital role in that and ironically, I kind of scooped Jai up under my wing and she became our dog trainer, which is one of our new gains in 2024.

Wendy Lyons: 4:24

And she's really just a great person. We went to dinner this past Friday night just to not even talk about dogs, but she played such a great role in that, as well as all of Animal Control officers do. They're there solely for the purpose of the animal's well-being, and she, I believe that's how you came to know Jai.

David Lyons: 4:45

Right through the police department. Yeah, and the thing that was interesting in that episode is she brought the awareness of how animals are used as control factors in domestic violence cases, and it was. We did do quite a few domestic violence cases in 2023, but in the last three years I looked one day at them and thought, wow, too many, right.

David Lyons: 5:09

We know that's a major problem. I think I said before that when I was actually investigating homicides, you get so down in a nitty gritty that you're aware you're doing a domestic violence murder, but it's not until you step back as to how many you probably did, and that's it's reflective in what we're covering. So yeah, jai was fantastic in that Rob Wilson really walked us through that case very well for episodes, and again it's called the murder of Todd Schumacher. People need to listen to it, if nothing else to find out how disappointing the end was. Yeah, it was very disappointing.

Wendy Lyons: 5:43

But you know, I think also a lot of people don't realize that. You know, you hear domestic violence and you instantly think female and Todd was a victim of domestic violence and I think oftentimes we just have in our minds that that's a woman only offense, if you will, and it certainly wasn't in that case and it did have a horrible, disgusting ending and I was very irate for the family of Todd and how that ended. But in between that we did recap what I refer to as my Angie, my best friend, and other domestic murder. If you've not listened to our podcast, previously we covered the murder of Angela Owens-Wildridge, my very best friend of 31 years. If you will recall, that's really the first time we ever took out and took the drone and did an offsite recording and we went to the cemetery one year past Angie's murder and that was a real good YouTube piece for us. That's where it was.

David Lyons: 6:49

It was a promo. It was a promo. It's very moving, though I will say it is.

Wendy Lyons: 6:54

It does bring awareness to domestic violence but also sheds a little bit of light on her story. Not entirely, but we did that and then, prior to Angie's murder, literally the month before, we had Lydia Blanch Cassidy in the same town that we live in. Angie was in February and Lydia was in January, so one month difference, and that was another four-part series that we covered with her sister, carolyn Hunley A fantastic woman.

Wendy Lyons: 7:27

It was just so horrifically sad domestic case, and Carolyn is raising Lydia's children, and so she's really stepped up to be a voice for domestic violence as well. Well, she's got that organization that they form called Be Hive Strong, be Hive Strong, which is our little bee, and there's a ball cap behind you. I don't know if they can see that. Yeah, a little ball cap.

David Lyons: 7:52

There's something on the screen with the links. If you get a chance to Go to the be have strong website, that's gonna appear on the on the YouTube video. It's just be Hive and it's a bees and boy HIV Strong. Calm is to go and maybe support them and and they've got tons of merch that supports the project as well too. Taking that, that pain and doing something different with it, that's what's always been remarkable about surviving family members is that when they can Metabolize that that way, to work that through it.

David Lyons: 8:23

Yeah, that's the murder of Lydia Blanche Cassidy. Four parts broken down. Carolyn courageously walked us through the madness that her and her family witnessed all the way up to Lydia and being murdered, and, and that one had a different ending than Todd Schumacher.

Wendy Lyons: 8:40

We'll just leave it at that it did, and it ironically had the same ending as Angie's abuser. So, we moved right from there on into Charlie Sowers. That was a three part that we did. A bar owner that well little you know family owned or personal owned bar was, was murdered and that was. It was solved after ten years and that was really yeah.

David Lyons: 9:01

That one was a good one to look at because we had Rob Wilson back.

Wendy Lyons: 9:05

Yes.

David Lyons: 9:05

Rob had talked to us about code case investigation a couple years ago, and then we do ran some episodes on what a code case is and what it's like to work, those, which I think is pretty entertaining, educational for people that think about those all the time. And then Rob brought this one back that had a ten year.

Wendy Lyons: 9:20

Yes, wait for the actually put it together, and so that was really great that they finally did get it right solved a fascinating case, moved right into that, back into the world of domestic violence and a very bizarre case, and that one was the the murder of Gody Massey.

Wendy Lyons: 9:36

Yeah, we covered seven parts on that. That was really a very litty and really bizarre. That was one of the more bizarre wins that we've done, simply because they had not to spoil it, as you say. But there was only Parts of Miss Massey that was found. She was never found in her entirety in the and and the parts. What I thought was so intriguing is DNA got brought in to realize that that's who that was, but you had only two body parts in two different locations of Kentucky.

David Lyons: 10:10

That's right, and not all of them have been found. And, of course, the the best part of that too is we had Chris Coon over back.

Wendy Lyons: 10:17

Yes.

David Lyons: 10:17

Chris is a perennial here and does a lot of great work, and we got to bring Steve McCowan in.

Wendy Lyons: 10:23

Who is?

David Lyons: 10:23

who had never been on the show.

Wendy Lyons: 10:24

Yeah, he did a really great job. You know, what I thought was so neat about Steve is that he had been a deputy coroner before doing this.

David Lyons: 10:33

That's when I met him, when I was a homicide detective and he was with the coroner's office. Yeah, I was like you, just he was a great guy very, I mean it was neat to watch him move from that and get on the police department and yes.

David Lyons: 10:45

Quickly usher himself into the homicide unit, even said he didn't like working patrol, but he was down in get into the investigation section too. So that's another domestic violence, murder, and as people listen, though, they'll put that together too. So it. And then we we did the second missing and we're gonna talk more about 2024 on. This is we met Sharon Latham. Such a sweet woman, beautiful woman and just like we had, we had started with the missing of Michael Keith Gourley and.

David Lyons: 11:17

Really got very close and have a strong affection for that family and I feel the same way about Sharon now you, you can't do this without starting to have an affinity through and we met Karen.

Wendy Lyons: 11:28

I'm sorry. We met Sharon through the Gourley family exactly right at that that at the picnic. That's how we made that connection, which was really kind of Sandra. Hasty has the, sandra has the vigil and then we met Sharon there the year prior that you know. My heart breaks for that woman and Sandra as well. Both of them have missing sons, right and adult missing. So suspicious, weird circumstances and and again.

David Lyons: 11:57

That's important too. So that's missing Kevin isn't. They was K jack, so we call it missing Kevin, k jacks, jackson and that's a two episodes. People need to tune in one to hear, just like with Michael, to hear who Michael was and to hear who K jacks is, and Maybe, maybe, to spread the word, get more people listening. Both of those, like a lot of cases and suspicious circumstances, are somebody knows.

Wendy Lyons: 12:23

Somebody, somebody's got to cough up.

David Lyons: 12:24

Somebody's got to come forward, and it may take pressure from friends or whatever To make that happen. Now, one thing too, when we looked at 2023, because that's not a lot of cases, but there were a lot of episodes- yes the one other thing we had common in 2023 with every one of these is we had gone into the world of YouTube, just like right now, with multi-camera experience now.

Wendy Lyons: 12:47

I'd always got so much flashback from me over that I was so unhappy about doing that.

David Lyons: 12:53

Because I convinced Wendy it was harder to edit and she couldn't cause as much, which has made the house quieter and didn't feel like Sailor week in New York. So it but true, but. But I said we have always loaded the audio on YouTube.

Wendy Lyons: 13:05

Yes.

David Lyons: 13:06

Which is okay because and you know what we did that mainly because I had literally Probably three or four people that use that as a player and I was like, okay, that's, that's not a big deal, we'll load that up. But starting in the beginning 2023 and now moving forward, if you're watching this, you put it together. It's on YouTube. Is that? Everything we do with? I can't see where it's not doing it will be on video. So, you get to see the faces, that hear, the people get a feel for who they are.

David Lyons: 13:32

I wish we had been doing video three years ago, from day one, but we didn't. But we're there now. Well for example, we would have had Ray the DA.

Wendy Lyons: 13:39

That's the first thing I thought of when you said three years ago, we you know, we had Ray the, the DA from at the Lixington Kentucky.

David Lyons: 13:49

Commonwealth, commonwealth.

Wendy Lyons: 13:50

Attorney and you know we lost Ray a couple of years ago and he was just. Ray was just really a neat guy and you know he has so many Hundreds of cases under his belt because he had practiced for years and years. But Ray was just you and Ray, just watching the two of you was kind of like a dad and his, his son.

David Lyons: 14:13

Yeah, I'll see this because it did. It was very difficult to lose him In a lot of ways. Ray, I looked up like a lot and we met Matt Brotherton in Abigail. And of all things. The other night we went to the retirement party for Dr Greg Davis.

Wendy Lyons: 14:29

We did an episode on.

David Lyons: 14:31

Right on medical pathology, a forensic pathology, and we were talking there too. And the one thing about Ray is that if Ray got to know you and thought of your work ethic and trusted you, you were in and I was blessed to be in. Just a lot of good memories, a lot of. I learned so much from that man and I will say it's hard to get around anybody who was in the murder business or anything without Ray's name coming.

Wendy Lyons: 14:57

Oh yeah, Ray was just. He was very well known in what he did and very well respected, but he was kind of a no-nonsense guy.

David Lyons: 15:06

Really he was. Oh God, yes, I did. That's an understatement, just a no-nonsense.

Wendy Lyons: 15:09

Understatement. So yeah, we have. Like you said, there wasn't a lot of episodes as far as each individual case we covered, but each case we covered had a lot of episodes and they're powerful, they send a message, they lift the victim's name up, which is a goal we have, and they're educational. Yes.

David Lyons: 15:29

And I think that's a big thing is maybe, while we're getting a pretty good following, is the authenticity In fact people are learning. So, that said, if you're not, if you haven't already, please go to YouTube, find the Murder Police podcast channel and subscribe and load in and start watching us there too. We'd really like to appreciate that. Now I do wanna wrap back around one more time. Before we walk out of the episodes and not just in 2023, but so many domestic violence ones is to say one more time that if somebody is in a position where they're concerned about that or have friends is there's resources out there and it's a difficult position to be in. I think I'd be remiss, or we'd be remiss, if we didn't offer one more time we try to do this the National Domestic Violence Hotline phone number, which, on YouTube, will appear on your screen, but that's 1-800-799-7233. Go to the website for the National Domestic Violence Group.

David Lyons: 16:31

Tons of ways to report information, tons of ways that if the person that you're in fear of is following your footsteps, that the tipping is anonymous, the communications are anonymous and they can start working safe plans with you right away. To exit and get into a safer environment had to do that, I think. That's what I think.

Wendy Lyons: 16:50

Oh, absolutely. And I think one thing even though, prior to losing Angie, we had covered domestics and you know you, obviously, even though those were right in our town, you never think that they're going to happen to you. And Angie was kind of not the driving force, but she was really encouraging us to do this podcast because she was a true crime fanatic, like I am, and she and I would often watch simultaneously from our homes episodes together and then talk about it on the phone the next day. But you know what I found through Todd and Angie and Lydia Goldie and all the others we've done. It's when they finally have reached that point and they say they're done, and that's when. That's when tragedy strikes.

David Lyons: 17:41

I think that's why it's important to have professional assistance and close support of family to have plans and help people who know how to do that.

Wendy Lyons: 17:49

Yes, and you know, leading up to that, what we know from all of these people, angie included, is they knew before that tragic event happened. They knew that they, well like Angie, spoke to me that she was done and she was trying to find a way to get out and it was kind of getting bad but wasn't horrible yet. But she knew she didn't wanna be in that situation. But I think oftentimes they at least with her they sometimes feel like maybe I'm overreacting. Okay, well then, today he's not so bad, so maybe I was overreacting. But then when you look back at all of it, you realize that was building the whole time. And then when they realized that they can't, simply can't do it anymore, that's when. That's when it happens.

Wendy Lyons: 18:39

So, yeah, people, if you or your friend think that, okay, now it's better today, I hate to say this, but hang on tight. It'll wrap back around, because those abusers they do that. They make you feel good tomorrow and because I think in the back of their mind they know what's coming. So get out while you can. Don't worry about dignity, of having to tell your friends or anyone that it just didn't work and I can't do it no more. Just get out safely. You know for yourself, your children, whomever is in there with you, just get out, male or female.

David Lyons: 19:16

Right, exactly. Well, in moving through 2023 as far as the podcast goes, one other thing happened a couple of times in 2023. And speaking of Angie watching TV shows is we were interviewed by two different major networks and, okay, one of them I'm not going to name the first one because there's a non-disclosure and we don't know when or if that'll air but there is another one that I did after we did one and within two weeks we got a call from another producer and the one that I did singularly actually aired.

Wendy Lyons: 19:55

Yeah, last night, yeah, last. Well, last night's contemporaneous. Well, that's right, in three years that's going to be sad. In three years it'll sound stupid. But can we give the date? Yeah, january 15. January 15?.

David Lyons: 20:07

But if people I think what was neat about it was the producers had actually gone through and listened to our podcast of the murder of Michael Turpin, along with the fantastic production that Erica Fries and the Lexington podcast in Jonathan's her brother, and the Lexington podcast too, which isn't one of our my favorite shows and the coolest people in the world. We've had them here in the studio yes, they've met Fran.

David Lyons: 20:32

So getting back to it on investigation discovery, if anybody wants to go and look this up because it's action packed full of stars is it's called Sadoost to Slay a three ring murder. I think it's season one, episode eight.

Wendy Lyons: 20:46

Yes.

David Lyons: 20:47

And as of now it's out on demand. And what was neat is they interviewed Fran Root who is one of the?

Wendy Lyons: 20:53

Who is the lead detective on that Exactly?

David Lyons: 20:55

I mean to be able to have that presence and knowledge. They talk at great length with Erica Fries from the Lexington podcast. I smile because she's knocked it out of the park. I'm in there a little bit a couple of times.

Wendy Lyons: 21:05

Yeah.

David Lyons: 21:06

And a neat thing too that I'd kind of forgot about and didn't know back when I was on the PD is a friend of mine that retired from a police department this in the last two years. Danny Fleischer was a close friend of Michael.

Wendy Lyons: 21:18

Turpin yes.

David Lyons: 21:20

They interviewed Danny and he gave it that perspective of what it was like for Danny to lose a very close friend back then and you can tell it's still impacted Danny. So watch for us on. We'll probably put a social media thing out if Network A the first one, goes ahead and hears that piece. I think that was a total of seven hours between the two of us.

Wendy Lyons: 21:40

Yeah, on the first network that may or may not appear. That was really exciting. I will say that case. Can we even tell what it was on?

David Lyons: 21:50

No.

Wendy Lyons: 21:51

We can't even tell which episode it was on, but it was one we had covered in the past and of course that's how they found us. But that was really neat to do that and I guess for me it kind of made me realize how out there we are, because that's how they found this.

David Lyons: 22:06

Yeah, exactly.

Wendy Lyons: 22:08

And.

David Lyons: 22:08

I guess that's the thing now is that when they're looking for material which, speaking of which is that I'm going to be in a very, very near future meeting with another video producer, so maybe people will see us out and about on something other than YouTube, I know, for investigation, discovery, but kind of anything. Nothing I never would have imagined.

Wendy Lyons: 22:28

Yeah, I wouldn't have either. I would have never imagined and say I wouldn't have also imagined you were offering to charge me for your autograph and pictures last night.

David Lyons: 22:38

It's a business, you know it's a business. So I mean I'm sorry, but I mean family only goes so far and I didn't pay you.

Wendy Lyons: 22:46

I didn't pay you either and I declined the. You will Declab every day Exactly Well, moving on, yeah, speaking of pain with my life here at the farm.

David Lyons: 22:57

I mean people. We've shared some things on social media where people have an idea of the. You know, the big picture is that it's a teeny, tiny little hobby farm and you've taken in rescue miniature horses. Yeah, I love the many, yeah, and that's probably some of the things that happened in 2023.

Wendy Lyons: 23:14

We were talking that we've had some loss and and, sadly enough, we lost two of them and they both were rescues that I mean, we'd had them for five years and ironically we got the two that we lost the first. The second one that we lost, he came with his little bonded pair, but we got them first and then, a couple of weeks over later, after getting them, that rescue facility asked if we would take on the other one, and we did, and, yeah, we lost Polly and that was so sad. And then I guess it was probably a month and a half, two months later, we lost Richmond the hard part with doing rescue horses like that.

David Lyons: 23:54

Many's is the same thing if you do rescues for dogs or cats. Yeah usually get them older in life.

Wendy Lyons: 24:00

Yeah, which means you're older, and so I mean, for people who are wondering, probably like I would be if I was listening or watching a podcast, well, what happened? And we really don't know. I think it was just they were older. Polly we knew it had some laminatic events with her feet prior to us getting her and she, by all accounts, had been really healthy her last few years, but we had noticed her starting the last little bit, losing some weight, and she was, you know, really close to 2021 at that time and she'd come from a rescue.

David Lyons: 24:30

So I will say this the one of the joys of that was she never had a bad day here. We even corrected that she never, never, really had a laminatic event. No, I controlled her diet yeah good and, like you said, I think I was in Oklahoma Maybe and you called and you had found Richmond. Yeah.

Wendy Lyons: 24:49

Rich Paulie was alive when we found her down down, and so we had to you mainly euthanize her. And then Richmond had already passed. It was just horrific because, yeah, you were gone and I called balling and you were like what? Because it was early in the morning and you were so confused and and so, yeah, it was, those were two heartbreaking Events. And so we still have Casper and we still have Richmond's counterpart, ravenna. And then, talking about what we brought on While we still had Richmond, I don't know if we had already lost Polly. Maybe you got George. He was a, not a mini.

David Lyons: 25:28

That you ride, david. You've turned into a cowboy on his now Exactly, and I got him from my farrier who used to be a cop, chris Flannery. Yeah, and now he's good care of us and yeah, he retired out and now he does horses feats and yeah, I trims all men.

Wendy Lyons: 25:43

George is a gentleman and so, yeah, you bet. I mean, shall we tell that you had a little horse accident?

David Lyons: 25:49

Well, I put it, I put it on video. Okay, david had a horse accident was no fault of George, no, what he was right, totally a rider error. He made it through a gate opening and my leg didn't and I was ejected off and, yeah, I had a little ER trip, yeah, but it was all fun.

Wendy Lyons: 26:03

Yeah, so we've got George and Then we took on Becca. I got Becca and and ironically we got Becca. She's a German Shepherd, european line, long coat, black and red, and we thought she'd sit still, we'd bring her down and have her on video, but she would be into everything. She's eight months old now and ironically we got her from a lady who, unbeknownst to me. When I found the lady, in addition to her breeding that she does for these, this line of German Shepherd, she is also an officer.

David Lyons: 26:38

Yeah.

Wendy Lyons: 26:39

Chattanooga. So so, yes, we have Becca, who's named after the breeder, rebecca, and so we brought on George and Becca, and so we've had our hands kind of full and you're traveling all the time still well, but I did.

David Lyons: 26:55

I've this year, I've backed off. I'll probably was on the road almost in 2023. Weekly home on a Friday night, maybe a Saturday, back out on a Sunday morning, which is, you know, as much as I love that and I do love that it was too much because that that gets in a way of keeping the podcast and yes projects. Not to mention, I still have a family here that right. You're fun to hang out from time to time with too, so it.

Wendy Lyons: 27:19

I think I'm fine all the time. Yeah, we can call it time to time and you know the horse and the dog.

David Lyons: 27:23

But but at that, moving forward with me alternating those weeks and maybe two times a month, tops is Is his time is gonna get a much more better now. That said, when I'm traveling is that we've talked about before? Is that? A lot of times I'm getting Case hits and for example talking to a sheriff in Oklahoma right now that wants to do some unsolves and, and whether or not we get those to coordinate or do them quickly, I'm always out running the podcast.

David Lyons: 27:52

Yes and the. Here we go again. Because of who I am in my background, these people will talk to me.

David Lyons: 28:00

You know they usually won't work with the media, that they really hesitant by getting with anybody in the lay community or in a podcast or vlogging world at all, but because the I have a rapport with them automatically because of what I've done, and we get them involved and it works out good. So that getting it did. You know, one of the things is that the production thing will get back in swing and and we've got some really cool Stuff on the way. You know we're gonna have we've got some cases. I know there's one set of cases that I'm working with Paul Williams on right now. He's pretty much co-producing this that all I can say is that it will probably occupy a lot of the year. It'll be a serial offender, a very scary serial offender, and it's taking us some time to produce it because it's the moving pieces did get to.

David Lyons: 28:47

Chronology is gonna be set, so we're gonna have those. We do have a lot more Educational stuff. We do like to mix those into is with some interviews with prosecutors and and some particular things that they want to talk about. I've said before and I've been, and I'll get it confirmed up but I've got two Fantastic defense attorneys from in this area that have cross-examined me more than once on the stand, but they're good at what they do and they were willing to come in and talk about defending Murder defendants and particularly maybe we can ask them questions like what that is emotionally and to defend somebody that you know Did it and I've got some ideas, but because it's commendable work, but we'll have them and so we'll have that. We have a polygraph operator Online that I just named a schedule and come in and talk about what my daughter, brooke, used to call a polywag when she was little it.

David Lyons: 29:41

But we'll have a polygraph operator come in and talk about what they are and what they aren't, and maybe some of the cases that he's worked on that have moved the ball forward. So and and even the one I'm really working on that is taking some more scheduling too is there's a friend of mine that works very close here in Richmond that when he was a New York cop, him and his partner actually found out during investigation of a case that a the wrong person on a murder had been imprisoned. And we're gonna get him, or both of them, to come on and talk about what it was like for them as police officers to get him Unprisoned. If that makes sense, which is pretty cool stuff, is the idea that and he's this story on it is is is amazing.

David Lyons: 30:29

It wasn't a popular thing to do in a police department, but they found that this person who had been imprisoned didn't belong there because they identified the correct person and they fought after that To get this person released. So it's a matter of scheduling to get them in. So we have some really neat stuff coming. That's it. An invitation we'd like to make is we would really like to go down the road more of doing some unsols and some missings, starting here locally in Kentucky probably is the easiest.

David Lyons: 31:00

So we've talked and met people at like Sandra Hasty's vigil before, which comes up in May. We'll try to maybe get some pictures this time to share what that looks like when she has that victims vigil. But if you are interested in, if you have a missing case or an unsolved or something with suspicious circumstances, don't hesitate to email us at Murder police pod at gmailcom and we can start to talk about whether it would be a fit for the show. I think it's a great opportunity for people to talk about family members and loved ones. If nothing else, we can give them a place where they can just talk about who this person was, other than a counter statistic, I think that's. That's just super powerful. Stuff is so missings and suspicious circumstances and unsolves we would, we would love to to work with people. So again, that's murder police pod at gmailcom. Shoot us some details and me and our Wendy will get back in touch and we'll work with them and see if we can start producing.

David Lyons: 32:02

I just think it meant a lot for Michael goreley and Kjax to have that out. And, of course, the the unsolved case that we covered that made me want to look at more would be the murder of David Calum here in Lexington and what it was like to sit down with his mother and his sister and and and again to hear who David is well and ironically, you know, we often talk about hell Things with murders or different cases somehow sometimes intertwine with others and, ironically, new listeners.

Wendy Lyons: 32:38

Angie, my friend that was murdered, was married to David, and so it really came full circle in that. You know, I remember getting the phone call from Angie when she and they were divorced, of course, at that time, but when she found out that David had been murdered, which, as you said, is still unsolved years later. And then they had two children in common and together. And just to know that both of those children lost their parents, both their parents to murder.

Wendy Lyons: 33:13

And so, yeah, you're right. I hope that we can. Jessica, like any mom, deals with this not that his sister doesn't, but that is so hard on Jessica. Every day she makes a post about that and I mean we've talked to her one on one and we know what she's going through. She just wants answers.

David Lyons: 33:36

Which everybody wants. Yes, and again, I think that I think it certainly didn't help them get over anything, but I think it probably felt pretty good to know that out there in the internet, that who David is is real now.

Wendy Lyons: 33:50

Yes.

David Lyons: 33:51

And that when people hear it again it's not a blurb in the news or a number on a UCR or a uniform crime report or anything like that, that he's truly a good person.

Wendy Lyons: 34:00

He was a really great person and he and Angie had been some high school sweethearts and married for quite a while before they parted ways. But not only does Jessica deserve answers, but somebody again knows who did this. Somebody needs to pay for that crime.

David Lyons: 34:17

Amen, amen. So I think that's a pretty good list of where we're going, and there's tons of other stuff that we're going to work out. One other thing to watch for, too, is that we're going to try to pick up the pace on social media. That's one of those things that I know we need to do and I'm not in there as often as I should and one of the things that we're going to work on is the audience might start seeing more short reels or short video things, and we might start popping on the air with smaller episodes to talk about things that are going on right now and to get the dialogue and to maybe talk about what the possibilities are in these cases Not trying to solve them or anything, but maybe tickle our vice critical thinking bone a little bit.

David Lyons: 35:01

I think there's an educational part, so we'd be watching for that. Is that another good reason to be following us on Facebook and Instagram and sign up on YouTube? We tinker and tick tock a little. I tinker with tick tock a little in and out, so maybe there too Not as committed to it as the other ones, but that's one thing we want people to do for sure is to follow us on those social media sites and go to murder police podcastcom and sign up at the email subscription list.

David Lyons: 35:29

Tons of stuff coming up there too, not to mention the merchandise store that we have where you can get swag, and the cool thing about that is a percentage of everything you buy for us gets donated to the DNA DOE project, which you can go back and our catalog and listen to the episodes on the fantastic work that the DNA DOE project hands off. One last thing coming in 2024 is one of the reasons that we were in the dark a little bit is I've been writing a book and the book is probably going to publish late spring, early summer, and I'm not going to go into details and it's in an editor's hands right now. You've watched me banging away at it and talking about banging away at it. But the book is going to really start a discussion about true crime and detective work and stuff and I'm not going to go any deeper there.

Wendy Lyons: 36:20

I thought you were going to tell them that it was like love professions for me.

David Lyons: 36:23

Well, there's one of those in there, right, right, exactly.

Wendy Lyons: 36:28

You know, like that, you went the crime route, which is fine Right. You are writing a book.

David Lyons: 36:30

You've been really working hard at it, exactly, so you've been at it for a while, yeah.

Wendy Lyons: 36:36

Back in the early spring last year you were out on our front porch typing away.

David Lyons: 36:39

Well, but and I was actually going slow and but I've kind of put a fire in my butt. So I have an editor. Now I'm getting ready to do the rest stages. The main back to it is that when that's ready to go, is that I'll probably offer well, I probably won't offer some significant access and discounts to people who listen to us recently. It's I think they're going to enjoy it, or I wouldn't be bothering writing it, so it that's. That's another thing to look for, that you'll see through the podcast and get advertised through the podcast.

Wendy Lyons: 37:06

And I would like to say Okay, one of your I guess motivators for that was another former officer and friend, scott Harvey.

David Lyons: 37:15

Yes, for sure, because he wrote a book.

Wendy Lyons: 37:19

Do you want to talk about his book for a little bit?

David Lyons: 37:21

Well, yeah, we will. Scott Harvey. I'm in a mastermind with Scott and that's been a mentor for me too. Scott is a retired police officer. He's a hostage negotiator, he has a fantastic podcast on self-development and entrepreneurship called Speaking of Harvey, and his book, by the way, is called Silence Kills. Just like it sounds, Silence Kills. It's on Amazon. It's a communication book written for people like you and me, and he's amazing.

Wendy Lyons: 37:48

And we've had him on here.

David Lyons: 37:49

He actually interviewed us on like an episode zero of who Are we the episode zero that we didn't make for about two years right.

Wendy Lyons: 37:59

But he said we need to do it and we did and he interviewed us. He's got a great radio voice. Oh yes, he does.

David Lyons: 38:06

He's a professional speaker too, I mean, he's just great.

Wendy Lyons: 38:08

Scott, if you're listening, you're great yeah.

David Lyons: 38:10

So Speaking of Harvey is his podcast and Silence Kills is his book, and he does a fantastic job with that, a mentor of mine in that aspect as well. Can you think of anything else for a 20-20?

Wendy Lyons: 38:23

I can't just tune in and listen. Sorry that we've been a little dark, but David over here has been extremely busy. Well, I've been holding on the fort, take care of animals, et cetera. So, yes, I'm looking forward to, I'm definitely looking forward to the more unsolved and more missing, just because my heart really goes out to those families.

David Lyons: 38:48

Same here same here.

Wendy Lyons: 38:50

They just I think it makes them feel really good to talk. It was really hard doing. When we met with Kevin's mother, she got teary at times. She's like good, but it was almost very hard. But then you could see how proud she was speaking of him because he had overcome some things and really just, I guess all I can say is I'm just excited for that. And then, of course, the murder cases, because you know, that's what I love listening to.

Wendy Lyons: 39:26

So thank you to our listeners. If you're new, please go back, start at the beginning and listen. I'm maybe a little biased, but I think we've got some great episodes and very intriguing cases. And you know, if you are new, we are different from others in that we bring on the actual detective. That worked that. And I'm not saying no other podcast does that, because maybe they do. There's a few. I'm not a relevant podcast listener.

David Lyons: 39:56

I would say he said it's authentic and it can get us in.

Wendy Lyons: 39:59

Yeah it is and when you're sitting in the room with the detective and I get to look over at that detective and say, well, what were you doing when you got this call? Because you know I love every little detail.

Wendy Lyons: 40:10

And he may say we were opening presents at his Christmas day and then it kind of blends credence to he's just a regular guy like we are and then he's out there solving these murders and you look at him on one hand like he's average, and then at the end of the podcast, you know, I'm usually sitting there going, wow, he's really amazing, you know, and I think that speaks for all law enforcement.

David Lyons: 40:38

That's just my opinion. Well, that's it. That's the whole gist of the podcast is true crime, real detectives.

Wendy Lyons: 40:42

Yeah, real detectives.

David Lyons: 40:44

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David Lyons: 40:56

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David Lyons: 42:03

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