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The Lexington Triple Homicide: Who Really Pulled the Trigger? | Part 3 of 3
A split jury verdict that defied expectations. Three men dead. A defendant who confessed but later died by suicide in prison. The Lexington Triple Homicide conclusion reveals the devastating consequences when drug culture, family violence, and opportunity collide.
The detective's theory makes disturbing sense – victims who crashed hard after a "420 party" would have been unconscious when the shooter entered, explaining why neither woke when the other was killed. "People who do cocaine take the edge off with things that shut them down. It's how a lot of people actually die—they take speedballs," explains the James York from The 13th Floor Podcast, piecing together the timeline of this tragedy.
What unfolds in the courtroom proves equally compelling. The Department of Public Advocacy mounted an extraordinary defense, scrutinizing every piece of evidence through rarely-seen chain of custody hearings. Despite overwhelming ballistic evidence connecting all three murders to the same .38 caliber revolver found with Ricky, the jury delivered a stunning split decision – guilty of killing two victims but not his stepfather.
This case forces us to confront difficult questions about justice, extreme emotional disturbance as a legal defense, and the devastating ripple effects of violence. When Ricky later took his own life in prison, the tragedy claimed yet another victim, leaving his mother to grieve both her husband and son. His child would grow up without answers, and multiple families would be forever changed.
The weight of serving on a capital murder jury, the psychology behind split verdicts, and the lasting trauma on investigators and families alike – this episode explores it all while honoring the victims whose lives were cut tragically short. Listen now to understand what really happened in this haunting Kentucky case where everyone involved lost something precious.
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Because, I would imagine it's a super common thing people who do cocaine to take the edge off with things that shut them down. It's how a lot of people actually die is they take speedballs. So, there's a good chance that they were on something that made them crash Crash really hard.
David Lyons:Yeah, you'll be up for like hours, maybe days if you stay wound up and then you really just crash really hard. And that fit everything that fit the party, the 420 party the night before, and everything it just fit it.
Wendy Lyons:Warning the podcast you're about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised. The Lexington Triple Homicide who really pulled the trigger? Part 3 of 3.
David Lyons:He did say that he reloaded before he shot the second guy.
James York:I don't buy that. Yeah, exactly Because it would have woke up the first guy.
Wendy Lyons:Yeah, exactly, Were they sleeping side by side or in separate rooms? No two different rooms.
David Lyons:They were roomies. But again I'd have to dig deeper into the file. But again I'd have to dig deeper into the file and you know we can only get so much of those files in open records. Request anyway to count how many rounds we believe were fired at the house with some margin for missing something. Sure, compared to the shell casings. The amount of shell casings were found back at the apartment but it was strong enough for the prosecutor laid into that very hard. She took that as a running theory and I was like, wow, you're smarter than I am.
Wendy Lyons:But you know, it does make you wonder how the one boy didn't hear the other boy getting shot. Well unless he was passed out or something.
David Lyons:Yeah, that's what I'm thinking and I believe Ricky moved really quick, I mean, let's think about that is that he probably didn't spend a lot of time at this. So it's because, by his own statement is, they were both out when he walked up. Yeah, so is uh, is that was the case there? So, um, that that's pretty much the bones of it, did you? Is there anything before we get into the trials because the trial thing is pretty interesting in and of itself too you, when you take somebody, we'll talk about what the theory was again, and we'll talk about what the trial was and and the verdict was not what we expected, but I think we had a grasp as to why the jury might have went there you covered everything from what I can think, but yeah no, I think so.
Wendy Lyons:I did want to know how the one didn't hear the other yeah, that's I think.
David Lyons:Yeah, we did too.
Wendy Lyons:They weren't asleep, it just seems like yeah they had to be unconscious that would be seemingly loud were they shot multiple times each point one, I think.
David Lyons:If I remember correctly, one of them was shot twice. But again, I'm really going by an ancient memory on that.
James York:Yeah I'm assuming no blood work was done on them for seeing what was in their system, because yeah, and we'd have to see the toxic because I would imagine you know it's a super common thing. People who do cocaine uh to take the edge off with things that shut them down. It's how a lot of people actually dies that take speed balls so there's a good chance that they were on something that made them crash really hard.
David Lyons:Yeah, you'll be up for like hours, maybe days if you stay wound up and then you really just you crash really hard and that fit everything, that fit the party, the 420 party the night before, and everything it just fit it. Just a sad, sad case. I remember one. It's funny when you think about these and you do look back the stuff you don't remember. You don't remember, but I remember one day I was on the phone with a Herald-Leader reporter. I think her name was Pat, loved her, she worked really good with us. She was on the phone with me and she was walking up to the door of, I think, aaron's house to talk to the parents and I listened to the mother or grandmother throw her out of the house and off the porch.
Wendy Lyons:Oh, wow.
David Lyons:Screaming. What it was is they ran an article and I might try to find them and put them on our website the copies of the articles and they had the pictures of the boys and, uh, they had some of their criminal history involvement which, again, this was all petty stuff. This was like bad. The guys like that grow out of that most of the time and they become good, good people, like most people, make mistakes, but they ran and that family was livid. They were livid, which is understandable, but I remember Pat Kimbrough. I think I loved her. I don't know what she does now.
James York:And I was like she's mad.
David Lyons:I think I even said I'm getting off the phone before she yells at me. But that rawness in people when they lose somebody like that, oh sure. And I remember one of the grandfathers of one of the boys. I used to go over to the Gibson Trailer Park where he lived and just to talk to him.
David Lyons:Sometimes, sure, because the follow-up is you're coming back to people and everything, but for me it was important when you could to spend a little bit of time with them there and outside the courtroom, because that whole court thing is just foreign to him as to what's going down and why things are going. Tragedy there. Uh, I've said it before just I still, to this day, think of, uh, think of his mother and think of his sister and the rest of the family. Uh, the I still think about his child and what that child is doing right now and doesn't have any answers, because we're gonna we're gonna get to it in a minute as to what happened in trial and after trial and stuff like that, about some of the last parts of that tragedy that just drive you crazy about this?
David Lyons:Well, you, you end up so you've got them in custody. You're, you're processing those things in the background. You're doing the honeydew list from the Commonwealth attorney's office. That's where they're putting their two cents in and ask you to finish up the interviews. It doesn't stop after the arrest. We've talked about that before. But when they go to trial and of course we've arrested them we end up getting indictments for all three. You go to a preliminary hearing within 10 days and all that does is establish probable cause to continue holding them. Sometimes there's a bond motion.
David Lyons:We did have a hearing. It was kind of weird. It was bizarre that a lot of times on my murder cases is they'd waive preliminary hearings and you would think that they would go for them a lot, and it was my experience that the defense attorneys did lots of preliminary hearings on drug cases. But I think what it was, is and I think this was for all of us in the unit in a relationship with defense attorneys If your documentation, your first adult, what we call the adult case summary, if that was squared away and there's actually a mutual trust between you and the defense attorneys and the prosecutors, sometimes it's better to waive and go to the grand jury because you don't know what's going to come out at the preliminary hearing and do that In this case. We did have a preliminary hearing and I remember I got crossed by a fantastic defense attorney. We talked about Kate Dunn.
David Lyons:Some people didn't like Kate, but because Kate would rip you pretty good, but that's what she's supposed to do. If Kate had a new cop, that's how she broke them in. There's an old saying that a thoroughbred can smell sneakers. Kate could smell if you were new and she'd leave a piece of your ass behind that stand. So I remember when we were doing it she's crossing me and it gets into that thing a little bit. Nothing overly heated. Doing it is she's crossing me and it gets, it gets into that thing a little bit. Nothing overly heated. But I do remember at one point when and and and this is not throwing shade at Kate, but she when I said well, he, he did an interview and she said what'd he say? And I and I leaned in. I said he said he did it and he's glad he did it and he'd do it again and if he were standing in front of me he'd skin him alive and she goes no further and we waved and but.
David Lyons:But you love people like that. She's, she's amazing. I'd love to ever on this show. But so you have the preliminary hearing and then within I think it's, I think it's a 60 day rule, or 60 or 90, I think it's 60. Then it goes in front of a grand jury and we've talked about what a grand jury is. That's a, a group of people who get jury duty which when he didn't get to, I didn't get to do, she got, she got called in a couple years ago.
Wendy Lyons:I have to interject and say I'd never been called. We can't even keep this in the show. This is how devastated I was.
David Lyons:Yeah, I've never seen anybody that excited I was so proud that I was going to get called. And let me tell you about you not sitting on a jury. Justice got served.
Wendy Lyons:In in Jessamine County. You're on it for a six months spree there and so you know they text in to tell you like numbers, this, and there was so many people there, a couple hundred people there, and so if your number gets called, then you have to go and see if you're going to be chosen. And number gets called, then you have to go and see if you're going to be chosen. And my number got called three times and each time I Came back with my head hung low because I didn't get chosen.
James York:I was so excited.
Wendy Lyons:I just knew that I was going to go in there and it was going to be like sitting here on the show. I was just going to hear it and it was going to be fun, and I was devastated every time. I never got chosen.
David Lyons:Justice prevailed. It must have. I'm just going to say it prevailed.
Wendy Lyons:It must have.
David Lyons:Well, let's divert back to that, the grand jury that she didn't get to sit on, that's right. That's just people like you and I that go in and they hear the case presented by the prosecutor and the witnesses and again it's there to validate probable cause.
David Lyons:It's not a trial. There's no cross-examination. It's very rare that a defendant will appear and, if I remember correctly, the prosecutor has to allow them. I've seen it happen. I've seen defendants go in before and he gets indicted on all three. Now you're into the long game of waiting for trial. There's hearings, there's suppression hearings. This is why you get a warrant for houses. Is that a good attorney is going to take everything that we do and turn it upside down. Speaking of that, where this got complicated is that they moved on this as a capital murder case. Oh, because one of the aggravators is the multiple victim thing in.
David Lyons:Kentucky Based on that is he was represented by DPA or the Department of Public Advocacy and they it's kind of like legal aid on steroids Probably got unfortunately they probably have more resources than some local legal aids Super passionate attorneys that are really in there for the game which they should be if you're going to do that and they're kind of like the Calvary when you have a capital case because they specialize in that and so when you get that, it is all the defenses I ever saw were really magnificent, but this one was a fine tooth comb.
David Lyons:It was one of the few times I saw like chain of custody hearings, which are really rare. Again, if you're a police department and you handle your evidence really good and you've got a good system, it's hard to poke holes into that, to say that there's a chance for something to be screwed with or whatever. In this case it meant spending a lot of time with the DPA attorneys where you meet them at headquarters in the evidence room and every item of evidence gets examined. They get to look at it, you know, glove up, paper out and then this is exhausting. But you go into a hearing and they test the chain of custody on every time that evidence got handled which means— Wow, more evidence, yeah.
David Lyons:Whoever saw it, whoever found it, whoever bagged it, whoever marked it, whoever photographed it. If I hand it to you and you date and time and put your initials, you come to the stand next and say David handed it to me. They did that with virtually every piece of evidence and there were hundreds of items in that instance case.
David Lyons:So you don't see that very often we survived all of that because I think we had a really good way of doing it, but that's how effective this counsel is. I mean, some people call them vicious, but again, if you and I needed an attorney, you're going to want the top dog and the people there. By the way, it's not about money, it's about they're passionate. So DPA is they're an affordable person to meet in court. I mean, they're affordable.
James York:This is a slight diversion, but I got two new related questions. One slight diversion, but I got two new related questions. One if he was sentenced for capital punishment in Kentucky, what would be the cause of execution like?
David Lyons:the form of execution. The form of execution we just talked about this in an interview last night.
David Lyons:Right now Kentucky has left Old Smoky some time ago and it's lethal injection, but there was a stay on lethal injection in 2010 out of Franklin Circuit Court, so that's on hold is that it's an issue based on the circuit court judge that ruled the stay in a death row inmate. The inmate was getting very close to being put to death. I think he had a two-pronged argument. One was some clarification and language between the statute and the law on how the chemicals are mixed or how many you can have, and then that there didn't seem to be a lot of clarity on protection for mentally disabled or insane defendants or inmates, something to that. So right now we're not doing it, but the method would be.
James York:That brings me to part two of that question doing it. But the method would be. That brings me to part two of that question who makes the determination in places where it could be multiple forms of execution Like?
David Lyons:who decides how? That's a good question. That's in the news right now. Yeah, because there's a case where and I feel bad, I don't have the state, but it's an option you get to pick your poison.
James York:I kind of like that yeah, you can pick.
David Lyons:I think in this state, I think it's lethal injection or firing squad. See, that's the one I would go with yeah Well, and the guy picked the firing squad. Now that brings up all of those things. We had a really good philosophical with the person we just interviewed because, his grandparents were murdered by some guys that are on death row, and those are incredible conversations to get into as to because look at it philosophically if it was, me which one do I want you know? And uh and whatnot.
David Lyons:So uh, yeah, but if we were performing them in kentucky would be lethal injection but there there's been a stay since uh, for 15 years now on that and that that will keep Meyer on its way through court. So, getting back to that, that throws it into high gear. And again, I don't want to say that other people don't get represented well, because they generally do, especially in this town. The defense attorneys, whether they're legal aid or private, are amazing people that I got to work with, the same people that would cross-examine me pretty hard. I just loved them. They were just good people. So we're on our way. We're inbound with that. We've got a capital case. The odds are up on that gets a lot of media attention, of course, because it's like that. And and then you're inbound for trial and in trial, I remember it's like anything else. Ricky was dressed up, brought in a Bible.
David Lyons:Those are handy. That happens a lot that happens a lot. I mean, everybody looks a lot better at trial than they did.
Wendy Lyons:He found the Lord he did.
David Lyons:yeah, yeah, he did Probably in that hotel room next to the Mormon.
Wendy Lyons:Bible? I think so.
David Lyons:I'm pretty sure that was provided by those attorneys, the Gideons probably, yeah, yeah exactly.
David Lyons:yeah, but it's, you know, laugh a lot, but it's true. I mean it's part of that thing of how do I brand my client in front of this jury. I'll just say this because I do remember in closing arguments when the DPA determined it did make a very biblical statement and I bit my lip a little bit when I listened to it. But that was okay too, because I'm not so sure he believed what he was saying. But he's doing everything he can for his clients. Let's be really clear on that.
David Lyons:So, getting back to it, we went in and hit him with the three because the principal things were all three of the victims were killed with the same .38 caliber revolver. That's physical evidence with some circumstantial tint to it, but it's the same weapon. The gun was found with Ricky. Now alone that means little. But in circumstantial evidence is that you start to look at the totality of circumstances. It's the same weapon. He has that gun and it's found with him. It's not anywhere else. The ballistics testing confirmed that everybody was killed from the same firearm. That was pretty clear. You had the fact that GSR wasn't located on Aaron and Isaac with any margin of questioning on that. It's still an important part. I have to be fair and say that I'm pretty sure I can't recall finding it on Ricky.
James York:But then and I know I'm, that's it.
David Lyons:And I know it sounds like I'm arguing both sides of the court, but that's what's wrong with it is the time passing, and there were times of time we went and went to people who were like kind of a little bit of a focus and you'd meet them and they'd be the sink like this and they'd be like well, good bye to that. But it's the same reason. I don't know if you all know it, but, like, if we find somebody that's deceased, a lot of one of the common practices is you paper bag their hands at their wrist and you protect all that so that it doesn't get messed up.
David Lyons:So that's that. So we had all of those things. We had the kind of the couple of slight slips up in his statement to us a little bit and then just the motive made more sense. The motive In part, wendy, I think, is because he there wasn't any kind of a plan after that. Does that make?
James York:sense.
David Lyons:Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot. There was like am I going to go call my mom? Am I going to turn myself in? Am I going to go? Any of those number of things? There was nothing that we could see in that too, but so I think that was it. So you go to trial Several days.
David Lyons:One thing about Kentucky that's unique is that murder trials don't take as long as they do in California or anywhere. Two weeks is probably a pretty good run. Two weeks they just don't. They're kind of an in and out, and a lot of people testified, a lot of his friends, a lot of the family, the girlfriend testified and a jury goes out. Now, when a jury goes out, you know you're waiting to see and everything, and I can't remember how long they were out.
David Lyons:I stayed for all the jury verdicts, even if we went into three in the morning. I didn't believe in doing that, and when the jury came back, they came back and they found him guilty of killing the two boys and found him not guilty of killing Frank. Yeah, and there's a part of it like that. That's your first thing is like. For me, and I think the people I work with is like you could use the word disappointed, but I think that we, when we were talking with the Commonwealth attorney about it, is that we felt very strongly about those things. But keep in mind that the same thing that makes a defendant's confession powerful in court, their words become powerful and it's not codlocked. But think about it for a minute.
David Lyons:He gave us a statement yeah, and he gave us a rationalization of why that would happen. And again, the burden of guilt is on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. And you can. If you look at how hard it is for a jury to make that decision, you can kind of get that. And then the other thing that can go on in a jury room is they can look at it and talk and they can see how crummy all this is and don't take this lightly. But they can say they probably had the most debate obviously was going to be on Frank Sure and when they deliberate it it might have been Kick him on the two.
David Lyons:Yeah, you got him on two, he's going away. Does that make sense?
James York:Yeah.
David Lyons:That happens in jury rooms.
James York:Another psychological observation Could he have gotten capital punishment for just two, or did it have to be all three?
David Lyons:I'd have to look at the law. This is one I wish we had Ray the DA with us.
James York:Well, just thinking, if I was on the jury, would I be comfortable putting somebody away for life for a crime I know they did versus dying for something that I'm not totally sure.
David Lyons:Yeah, that might. What a good thought. That's why I'm glad you're here. It is. Yeah, there's that because I have talked to people that have been on capital cases. I've actually spoken to people that were on a case that I led that resulted in two death penalties and one crime and they talked about that. And we had a guest on here that was in a capital murder jury as a jury and she talked. That weight is incredible.
James York:I can't imagine.
David Lyons:Yeah, I would not envy that, yeah, and so, yeah, I think that's a good rationalization there too, because it's going to be based on the multiple killings. And of course then he had some other felonies in conjunction of robbery and theft and stuff like that. So they but you know what, I'll have to look and maybe for the listeners you'll catch me. If you all want to research it and put it on YouTube, let us know, is it? I'll have to look I've been out of the game a little bit on that on how many that is a great philosophical question, thank you.
David Lyons:Is that, um, I don't know if I sat in a jury in a case like that, that would be very heavy, despite any experience that I've got. That's heavy. Uh, and like the guests we just interviewed, we were talking if you're going to put somebody in prison for five years, that's heavy. Every bit of this is a heavy thing. That's again. I've respect jurors so much and and I'm not crazy about people trying to dive jury duty.
James York:I got out of jury duty once, but I had midterms. Oh, that's different.
David Lyons:Okay, you're all right, exactly, I mean. That's a reason Some people just do it.
Wendy Lyons:People were getting out of it and I was breaking my neck Trying to get into it. Yeah, again, justice prevails.
David Lyons:So you've got that. And again back to Wendy. Where you went is what's it like to be his mom.
Wendy Lyons:Right.
David Lyons:To lose Frank and I can't speak for her. But I think that she probably wondered I mean, come on, but even if that one, if you didn't your own blood, is admitted to taking the lives of two people?
David Lyons:And there could be a rationalization and a defense in that too. And everybody loses. You know, we lose Frank, we lose the two boys, we lose Aaron and Isaac. We lose Ricky's child doesn't have a father present. His sister loses her brother. I mean, when you're gone, mean when you're gone away, you're gone away and, and and I'm if I remember correctly it was, it was life without I. Again, I feel bad for not doing seeing it, but I'm pretty sure that it was. It was like the max on that, which is the next thing people will come to. On that. Um, I don't, I don't think it was 25, but the defense had argued extreme emotional disturbance to some extent, which is what I'd go with too, I mean, and that probably led to it too, because if you in Kentucky, if you lean to extreme emotional disturbance, then it paints a better picture for watching your stepdad get killed and then taking that action on other people.
James York:What was the argument that really kind of went against that? Do you think the empty pockets was yeah, that's it. That action on other people what was the was the argument that really kind of went against that?
David Lyons:do you think the empty pockets was yeah, that's it you see, then you, you didn't you start running into a different motive with manipulation? And though he didn't have a long-term plan, uh, because what we want to try to believe with extreme emotional disturbance is it's not insanity, but it's heat at the moment in flag ray.
James York:You know, you, you walk in and catch your involve reloading and then running off with a weapon.
David Lyons:Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah order a pizza yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, that was comforting, um, but you know it's uh just bizarre on how that goes down. And again, I'm pretty sure they maxed him pretty high on the sentence. On that They've kind of walked away from the EED, but so many things go on in that jury room. But that's our system too. So that's. The other thing too is you can't throw a crying towel over that when you go to trial. It is it. I mean, that's what we all believe in and you accept that result and that jury really worked hard. There's no doubt in my mind they worked really hard, I think.
David Lyons:As far as who he is, is that you know. You look at his personality and stuff like that. I think antisocial. I'm not a psychologist, but you said it, me neither. But yeah, I think he's a sociopath. Yeah, exactly, you got to to be able to do that. I mean it's hard. I think the drug-induced thing is really a part of that too. In Kentucky, drug involvement isn't really what we would call a mitigator, so you can't really apply that as a defense successfully. You can take a shot at it and they will.
David Lyons:But really it's like the law in Kentucky doesn't really give a lot of weight to that. You might as well go in and say that it was devil worship and you'll have as much luck. That would be one for your show.
James York:There we go.
David Lyons:Exactly exactly the EED, the extreme emotional disturbance that would have been. I think that would have been the one with the attorneys that I would have pushed the button on the hardest because it fits. It fits. It's just like that case right now with that in Pulaski County where the sheriff killed the judge. I saw where they plan on pleading insanity. But I'm like ah they'll go with the EED when it's over with.
David Lyons:They'll go with the EED. That makes sense. But who knows what lurks in his mind? So he gets sentenced and he goes off and everybody loses him. The last tragedy, do you want? To tell the last tragedy.
Wendy Lyons:I've been waiting for you to say it.
David Lyons:Yeah, he's sentenced, he's sent off to prison in LaGrange, kentucky. And then we get word one day that in December of 2004, ricky took his own life while he was in custody, which which, again, some people might say, well, he's got it coming, or whatever, but justice has been served, he's sentenced, he's housed, right. I mean, that's what this is about. And one more time for his mom and his sister and the rest of the family, what?
David Lyons:do you do with that? Is that any shot of him having relationships with his child or talking to them again is done? It's just like I said, so much on the hearts and the weights of a handful of people. It's just incredible. It shocked us, you know. So don't have any idea why he did it.
James York:Yeah, I'm just curious with so many lives damaged by this, the people closest to him, where are they now? Do you keep tabs on any of them?
David Lyons:No, you don't. With a lot of victims' families you don't, and this one would have been difficult too, just because of the dynamics. I mean, there's very few people that I really know where they're at and what they've been into over the years. I guess my hope would be that somehow they've metabolized some of this and that they've found a piece somewhere with it to be able to go on with their lives. I mean, that's what we would hope for anybody, because innocent bystanders yeah.
David Lyons:Innocent bystanders. They had no knowledge or anything to do with what that happened and everything. But I guess my hope would be, wherever they're at, that they've landed in a better place. That would be.
James York:My hope would be wherever they're at, that they've landed in a better place. That would be my hope. That's a good sentiment.
Wendy Lyons:Well, guys, it was great learning about David, your case and James sitting down with you and again, thank you for coming and our listeners check out the 13th floor.
James York:Thanks for having me.
Wendy Lyons:You'll get to hear more of James's neat podcast with his two sidekicks and you'll get to name his next fighter.
James York:Yeah, yeah. Keep your eye out for the polls on Instagram for that one.
David Lyons:Yeah, for sure, Got to go do that too. And again, happy birthday to CeCe. Happy birthday We'll definitely make sure we kick that in and tell them. We said hi, and thanks for letting me ramble through this, I will. I'll finish with one thing. That's why, when you testify in court, you have those huge binders in front of you, because there's no way you remember all these things. So there was a few gaps and everything.
Wendy Lyons:You've come a long way from something this thin, haven't you?
David Lyons:oh yeah, compared to what you've had, oh, yeah, yeah, they are three, three inch binders and multiple again. I think it's a neat case to talk about because of all the tragedy involved in it and the lives that it touched, and it touched all of ours. You don't get around these things without having a lot of compassion for that family and the families of the two boys and the lives that were ruined with that too. So thank you again, james Really appreciate it. Hopefully we can do something with you guys one day. We Really appreciate it. Hopefully we can do something with you guys one day. We'll come up with a topic or whatever. We'd love to cross into you. We just have to find something freaky enough for the 13th floor.
James York:We'll get it done for sure. Good deal, it'll be great to have you on.
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James York:Lock it down.
David Lyons:Judy.
