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The Vanishing of Michael Keith Gorley: What Are They Hiding? Part 3 of 3
A mother's faith doesn't waver, even after a decade of searching for her missing son. Sandra Hasty and daughter Jennifer share the haunting story of Michael Gorley's disappearance from rural Kentucky—a case marked by strange encounters, spiritual guidance, and the frustrating knowledge that someone knows exactly what happened.
The details paint a disturbing picture: Michael's hat and shoes mysteriously left on a porch, an official story claiming he walked away barefoot in swimming trunks, and the chilling moment when Jennifer shook hands with someone who "looked like they'd seen a ghost" at the mere mention of Michael's name. Through it all, a voice kept telling Jennifer to "turn around" during their search, each time revealing new, unsettling information.
Ten years later, three people connected to the disappearance have died, taking potential secrets to their graves. Yet Detective Thornberry of the Kentucky State Police continues working the case, assuring the family it will never truly go "cold." Meanwhile, Sandra has channeled her grief into action, hosting annual vigils that bring together families of missing and murdered individuals to share support and information.
The family has prepared for Michael's eventual return by purchasing a headstone, arranging a funeral, and paying for a burial vault—practical steps that speak to both their hope and their heartbreaking acceptance of possibilities. Their message to those harboring information remains simple: "All we care about is finding Michael. Bring him home."
With advances in forensic science solving decades-old cases, Sandra remains steadfast: "I've seen cases solved after 13, 15, 20 years... I will never lose hope." Have information about Michael Gourley? Contact Kentucky State Police Post 7 at 859-623-2404. You can remain anonymous.
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If I lost hope and lost faith. I'd just be saying well, you know it won't ever be solved. I don't believe that.
Speaker 3:No.
Sandra Hasty:I don't believe that at all. His case can be solved.
Wendy Lyons:Warning the podcast you're about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the Murder Police Podcast the Vanishing of Michael Keith Gourley. What Are they Hiding? Part 3 of 3, with Michael's mother, sandra Hastie.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:With this person, but outside of that it had been years and I hadn't really seen him talk to him, or nothing, it just I didn't really don't forget about the passenger.
Sandra Hasty:Tell him, turn him pale white.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:So anyway, I was just like and it said again shake his hand. So I was just like, okay, I'll shake his hand, you know. So I was just like. I was like well, let me give you my cell phone number. So if you hear from Michael, if you talk to anybody knows where he's at, please call me, text me, you know, I just need to know that my brother's okay, that was my big thing. I just need to know that he's okay, all right. So he was putting my number in his phone and I laid my hand in the window and I said, well, I appreciate it. And I went like that. When he looked down and seen my hand, he went like that he looks over at the passenger in the car. They both looked like they'd seen a ghost. His eyes was wide open, the color drained out of his face.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:The guy in the passenger side of the vehicle, they were both kind of looking back and forth at each other, kind of like. I kind of got the impression. They were kind of like what does she know, kind of thing. You know, that's what their body language was giving off. And I was just like oh, okay, I don't know what this is. You know what I'm saying, this voice told me to shake this person's hand. This is the reaction that it caused. So I knew in that moment something is very wrong, something's very wrong. I just don't know what. So I was like Mom, we need to go. All right, it's getting dark, michael's not here, something's very off. You know just everything's going haywire at that moment. So, like we need to go, we get in the car, we start driving back towards Junction and the voice comes back and says turn around. So I was just like Mom, we got to turn around, so I turn around. So at this point I'm just know turn around. So I'm like, okay, I'm going back again. So when we go back again, that person who I shook hands with was gone, so that vehicle had left. They didn't leave going towards Junction, they left out going towards Stanford actually. So they went out that way, I went out that way.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:When we got to the driveway again for the third time, the person that mom had talked to on the phone the night before was coming from the opposite direction, right. So you go out Knoblick Road, you've got your junction side and then you've got your Stanford side. So when he's riding this bicycle he's coming from like the Stanford side towards the house, and he's riding on that bicycle. I will never forget it, never forget it. He didn't even have his hands on the handlebars, he had his hands beside him pedaling that bicycle, swaying side to side, side to side, going slow, like he wasn't in a hurry to get nowhere, so back and forth, back and forth.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:He gets up to the driveway and mom says this person's name and she said where's Michael? He said oh, I don't know. He left walking towards junction. She said well, what time was that? He said between eight and nine. Mom's like well, when I talked to you last night at 11, you said he was here and that he was getting on your nerves. He's going to beat his ass. So what happened? He said well, no, that didn't happen. He said he just left walking towards Junction. I said well, did he say where he was going? And he said well, he said something about gravel switch and then he smirked. He was like, oh, but he left his hat and shoes on the porch. Do you want them? Mom said if my son's hat and shoes are on the porch, then yes, I want his hat and his shoes. So he goes over to the porch. He comes back to the car.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:The car and he had the hat and the shoes, like this in his hands and when he gave them to mom he went like that you know, it was very strange like his, his body the whole time he was hanging on to me.
Sandra Hasty:he was looking at the two females, Okay.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:So in that moment it just felt to me kind of like a military funeral, when the spouse gets the folded flag, like really ceremonial. It was kind of like a deliverance.
David Lyons:Yeah, there we go. Okay, you know.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:So anyway, I was just like something. We go and we've done turnaround three times at this point and every time we keep turning around it gets more weird and more weird.
David Lyons:That's what I was going to say is, every time that voice tells you to turn around, there's something dramatically different about where you just left. That's pretty interesting in and of itself.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:And I always wonder. They kept saying he left towards Junction, but I'm thinking, you know, was the voice telling me to go back towards stanford? You know, I don't know, I don't know yeah but we left. Again and again the voice told me to turn around, but at that point I was just like no, it didn't, it didn't got too weird.
David Lyons:We had kids in the car yeah, that's a difference maker to have the kids in the car right. Even when your intuition is speaking to you.
Sandra Hasty:I drove out there many, many times and, believe me, they didn't have much of a yard left by the time. I spent my donuts in their yard and yelled at them and everything else.
David Lyons:They didn't have much of a yard left. Yeah, so you took care of business and gave them a side job and Michael's truck. There we go. Okay, there's a little justice there, I guess.
Sandra Hasty:They see that truck coming down the road and they're, you know, like yeah.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:So after that, like I said, said I mean, the voice did tell me to turn around again, but I didn't, for multiple reasons. One, I had my kids in the car. Two, I didn't have a weapon on me. Three, I knew something was wrong. At that point I'm thinking god's telling me. This is god speaking to me? That's what I felt in that moment.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:And it was getting a little bit scary at that point. So I was just like no, I think I'm going to head back towards McKinney and take mom home, head back towards Parksville, regroup, rethink, revisit. And so that's what we did. And after I got home that night and it kept eating at me because it's like well, you got to do something. You got to do something. What? Knowing what to do in that moment is like you really don't know what to do. Honestly. Um, I made a post on facebook.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:You know that, michael was missing what they told us, because all we could go by is what they actually told us. You know that he had left there walking between eight, nine o'clock going towards Junction, that he was wearing swimming trunks at the time and stuff like that, and so I just made the post based off of that. If anybody's seen him call me, call my mom, call the state trooper, because I had his information on the post that we had talked to earlier that day in McKinney and then I think it was the next day or the day after, mom had got some phone calls from some people about some stuff that they had heard, and it got a little crazy after that.
David Lyons:Did anybody ever see him walking on that road either direction? Did you ever have?
Sandra Hasty:anybody see him? And it was a Sunday. People go up and down that road for church Right and you said they'd know him Nobody. Saw Michael. They'd know him Nobody.
David Lyons:Does that sound like something he would do? Would he take off barefoot in swimming?
Sandra Hasty:trunks, Barefoot. No hat, no shirt, just swimming trunks.
David Lyons:And what? We're talking a couple miles. If he was going to Junction City, we're talking a couple miles, you think?
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Well, from where this house was, or is, it's, I would say, at least two miles. What about the other?
David Lyons:direction? How far would you walk before you hit anything that looked like?
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:To Stanford.
David Lyons:Oh, we're talking miles, then right.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Oh yeah, further than If you were going to Stanford from there longer than it would take to get to Junction Maybe.
Sandra Hasty:Yeah, because Five days. But it's long windy roads.
Speaker 3:And it's all farmland out there. It's all farmland, I mean it's wide open.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:It's very rural, it's wide open.
David Lyons:Well, tell me about the phone call where it got dicey and heated. Who called and what was the conversation about?
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Well, so after that, you know Michael, you know he didn't come home Well, he still hasn't came home after 10 years. Mom had got some information from someone about some things they had heard that had happened to Michael which we were all upset about. And again, you know, it's just stuff that people had said, so we don't evidence or proof of it, we're just going by what we're told. There was like a voicemail or something somebody had left that we were able to listen to, had some information on there that was disturbing. We had kind of got all of this and then this person had called mom in the middle of the night and woke her up saying some stuff that had happened to Michael, getting Mom upset, and she supposedly had a premonition about where Michael was and where we could find his body and stuff like that.
David Lyons:What was the premonition? What did she say there?
Sandra Hasty:was one involved. Pardon say there was one involved. Pardon me, there was one of them involved.
David Lyons:Gotcha, One of the people that was central to all this right.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:She had a premonition that Michael was buried in a cow field by a tree and she wrapped off some numbers on a mailbox of where we could locate this place and the road. So the very next day after that crazy phone call we got together a search party and we went out that road and we searched and we thought we may have found some disturbed ground. So at that point we called the state police. They came out there and looked at it and more or less told us to go home because we could be contaminating evidence.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:So we went home and then we didn't really hear nothing back from the state police. I don't think at that point and some more days had gone by I still know Michael. So we're like, well, we're going to get another search party together because he's still not home. And that day we were going to go do a search, the same two females called Mom again talking crazy. Oh, this happened to Michael, that happened to Michael. You don't know this guy that's involved. He'll kill you, he'll kill his whole family, he don't care, he'll burn your house down, he'll do this, he'll do that.
Sandra Hasty:Hogwash I was going to say where are you, mom? Time to come home. I'm not scared of you.
David Lyons:Well, we've covered some other cases in this past year and that's what the families went through.
David Lyons:Yeah, it's disgusting that there's people that reach out and I'm not going to ask what the stories were, because I can imagine and there's a family we just talked to that same thing that they shake their heads at what people would come up with, and it's like you have to ask, why would you do that? Because it's cruel, and it's like you have to ask, why would you do that? Because it's cruel, right, and it can really. It can start to slow an investigation down because if it makes it into the investigation, somebody's going to have to prove it or disprove it. I don't know what people's motivators are.
David Lyons:I don't know if they have to feel like they're somebody. Or sometimes I wonder are they doing what we like, what we call counterintelligence? You know, like when the girls called and said they were wondering where you all were is like, is it somebody trying to feel you all out to see if you'll talk about something that that they need to know, that you know all of that's a possibility, but it's cruel. I just I feel so bad for you all going through that, but it's a common thing, it's. I've never understood that. So how does it gear up from there? So now you're way over on the other side. I still think that is amazing that every time that voice said turn around, you found significant differences within a couple minutes.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Every time it just kept getting more weird. Yeah, exactly, and.
David Lyons:I don't blame you for not going back that last time because you had the kids in the car and I felt guilty honestly for a long time. Yeah, about that, because I thought well, I mean, but I think your intuition probably hit a wall and and probably well, I started analyzing like okay what do I have?
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:I remember the thought process in my mind was what do I have in here to protect me and and everybody, and I'm looking around? Well, I got mom and I got kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Nothing. Yeah, you know I couldn't risk it.
Sandra Hasty:I've still got notebooks full of everything that I wrote about from the time I came up missing. Now I will say that the trooper in McKinney, trooper Jonathan Walls. He called me the next day and asked me michael, come home and what's his name again?
Speaker 3:trooper um jonathan walls wall yep, okay, I think he's a detective.
Sandra Hasty:Now I'm not sure, good guy good he called me the next day and asked me did michael come home? I said no, sir of course I had done, talked to this other butthole trooper, so so you got one.
David Lyons:you didn't like I said when this is all over.
Sandra Hasty:I want to see his reports Because I don't believe nothing he said.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Sandra Hasty:You know he didn't want to analyze the hat, the shoes or nothing. Yeah, the truck that was in the pond. Oh, doesn't make sense to me.
David Lyons:I guess the other frustration families have is if you get somebody in that line of work that lets you down. Right, I mean, that's what I'm hearing. I hate hearing that, but you've got a bunch of people and some are better than others. I'm glad that the one guy called you back.
Sandra Hasty:Do you know, six months later, a certain detective let me know that he knows Black Hole's number Tried to call me or hasn't come home, and so therefore he's you know, yeah.
David Lyons:So you hit this wall and your intuition's on overload. What goes on next? And we're 10 years out. I mean, I'm just horrified by that. What happens next? Is that the beginning of this huge code spell now? Or did you have any revelations before we really got into the long run on this?
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:It's hard to say, like with Michael's case, I don't think it's ever really gone cold.
David Lyons:I don't think so.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:No.
Sandra Hasty:Yeah, as long as it's being worked, it's not a cold case.
David Lyons:Yeah.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:The detective that's on the case, in my opinion, is one of the best.
David Lyons:Who's this?
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Detective Thornberry. I hear that over and over again so shout out to him, detective Thornberry, I hear that over and over again, so shout out to him. I don't think that he would do anything at all to ever jeopardize the case in any way, right? So I think some people think it's cold because they don't hear what's going on with the case.
David Lyons:That's logical.
Sandra Hasty:But they don't hear what's going on with the case. For a reason he told me years ago as long as he's working that case, it will never go cold.
David Lyons:Yeah, you know, on the podcast we interviewed some we call them cold case detectives from back where I used to work, and one of the guys said that he quit using the word cold, and I agree with that, because they don't like just get put up there. They're waiting for that next piece. They're like alive. And I've told people before so they've heard this.
David Lyons:But when I was up in our unit, all of the unsolved cases that are in these big three-inch binders were in a cabinet in the center of where we were, and what that was is that if I came into work one day and the staff assistant sent a phone call to my extension, I picked it up and somebody said I've got information on Letha Rutherford, which is an unsolved I could go within seconds or minutes and grab that book and start looking at it. Does that make sense? So you're right. I think you make a really good point too, jennifer that when there's no news it doesn't mean things aren't happening, but there's such a balance of what can't be shared. It's hard, it's hard, but it really is. It's about having this thing, when it runs, to run effectively through the justice system.
Sandra Hasty:You have to keep the faith.
David Lyons:Yeah, oh please, and I think that's back to where we started. I think that's what's so beautiful about the Facebook page. And then the vigil that you do every year is that's keeping faith, not letting go. Nobody wants to wait 10 years or how long, but look at the advances we've had in science and technology, right and there are so many families in Kentucky.
Sandra Hasty:You know unsolved murders for many, many years. Missing people looks longer than what Michael's been missing, but he's my baby. Yeah, you know that's your child and I thought you know I've also got two other pages and one's Missing Men Nationwide in Crimes. In Honor of Michael Gordon.
Speaker 3:Right.
Sandra Hasty:And then I got missing women, teens and girls in crimes.
David Lyons:We'll put the links up for all of those and I would encourage people to go follow those just for the awareness and to support people that are going through that. I think that's the big thing is to support people going through it. But yeah, the changes. But yeah, the changes Of all things. I was in Kansas we're dating this last week and had dinner with a detective that was on board when the BTK killer was identified after decades of going quiet and how it was a small thing, and then boom, they have him.
David Lyons:So I wouldn't give up hope. I wouldn't give up hope.
Sandra Hasty:You can't lose hope. You can't lose faith. You can't lose faith.
David Lyons:There's always new things.
Sandra Hasty:Yep.
David Lyons:There's always people that finally come If I lost hope and lost faith.
Sandra Hasty:I'd just be saying well, you know it won't ever be solved. I don't believe that.
David Lyons:No.
Sandra Hasty:I don't believe that at all. His case can be solved.
David Lyons:I think it has what we would call solvability factors on the fact that you had so many people close to him that that saw him in that last, that last 24 hours. Um, that comes back to a point that we've talked about before. How many of those people that we think are central to that since we talked a couple years ago, how many of those are are dead now? Do you know three?
Sandra Hasty:three dead and one in prison for the rest of his life.
David Lyons:Yeah, yeah, ten years. A lot of stuff happens, a lot of cases. You know these cases. I've met some really amazing people at your vigil. Hope to keep meeting more. They keep the faith. Let me ask you this, because we talk about things that go on and how many people are missing is crazy. I mean, it is nuts.
Sandra Hasty:Right now in Kentucky right at 300. Over 2,000 unsolved homicides, yeah.
David Lyons:And you know what. That's the ones we know about, because some of this goes unreported. I mean, really there's a big disconnect on that. Just ask this and hopefully I'm not taking it to a bad spot, but waiting like that. Occasionally it pops up in the news where some hunters or somebody are out and they find human remains. When you hear that, what's that like to hear that I'm trying to put myself in your shoes. I know I can't completely, but when you pop on.
Sandra Hasty:I couldn't count the coroner's offices I've called.
David Lyons:I was going to say, yeah, it isn't Anytime. I've even got Frankfurt and Louisville say yeah, it isn't Anytime.
Sandra Hasty:I've even got Frankfurt and Louisville on my speed dial on my phone.
David Lyons:I would have to imagine that whenever that happens, your heart picks up a little bit yeah, from anywhere.
Sandra Hasty:Especially when it's somewhere we've looked before yeah, exactly, or you know and they find this person and we're like, oh Lord, could it be Michaelael?
David Lyons:yeah, that's what I was wondering. I do I do a little message can I say this that you know, even in the last couple years since we met that's the first thing that goes through my mind is this somebody that we've talked about?
Speaker 3:is it michael? Yeah?
David Lyons:and it doesn't have to be right here. I mean really, if it's anywhere in the area, I start thinking right.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:So as soon as mom hears of it or I hear of it, we're instant back and forth with each other. And uh, she's already on the phone I love it talking to the uh whoever she can get a hold of, and she always lets the detective on the case know and a lot of times he gets right back with us.
Speaker 3:Good.
David Lyons:And says no, it's not Michael, it's not going to be Michael. That way the anxiety level gets to level.
Sandra Hasty:So then I figure out who it is and I send the picture. He said probably.
Speaker 3:You know, so you know know he lets us know.
Sandra Hasty:You know, I think one of the saddest cases was the Will Cross case. Will Cross that they found in Kentucky.
David Lyons:I'm not too sure that was recent they only found.
Sandra Hasty:It took them from 2003, 2003 till last month, the few remains they found. That's how long it took to identify that young man yeah, it takes a while.
David Lyons:Yeah, there's uh and again there's where new technologies are coming in and things like that like three years yeah, we.
David Lyons:We did an interview with a thing called the DNA Doe Project, which, with the advances of DNA, now what they do is that if you're an agency and you have some unidentified human remains, you can submit the case to a nonprofit called DNA Doe and they'll crowdsource and get the money for the advanced testing to extract DNA samples out of molars and parts of the body, which are very difficult. You couldn't do that 10 years ago and then they take those results and they have a small army of volunteers that get trained on doing the familial or the genetic DNA tracing where you start reaching out to. It's amazing, it takes time, but projects like that are giving a lot of hope because just I can't emphasize the changes in science, just what they can do right now that they couldn't do 10 years ago, when they find something, because it's just and what it will be in another 10 years is crazy.
Sandra Hasty:They've got that lab out in Texas. That's very good. What's the name of it?
David Lyons:It's probably similar to DNA dough.
Sandra Hasty:They aren't the only ones. It is where they can determine cause of death. You know when Jane or John goes, they can identify them through what you're talking about. You know, but you know they can determine. You know cause of death from just a few bones. Yeah, that's it If they find a skull like this one when they just found and of course had a gunshot in the back of the head so they know it was murder.
David Lyons:Right, exactly.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Yeah, that's a lot to get out of a few pieces of information you were asking about some of the people that had passed away that were involved with Michael's case. So when we first started out we were pretty confident on about five to eight in the circle and three of those that we're aware of have passed away circle and three of those that we're aware of have passed away, two of those being the two females that came to mom's house that day to tell us that Michael's truck was in the pond.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:One of those females we had been told was very sick and was on her deathbed, and they were kind of like you know, this is your opportunity to try to get out of her what you can before she passes away.
Speaker 3:Right.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Because, you know at that point she could have passed away at any moment. So I reached out to her through Facebook Messenger and asked her to confess or to at least tell us where Michael was and where we could find him Right, Locate his body Nothing. Mom reached out to her as well and asked her to, you know, confess or tell us where we could find Michael's body. I put some sugar with the salt and that was about two weeks. I'm praying for you. Sure, sure, yeah.
David Lyons:Okay, it was about two weeks. I'm praying for you. Sure, sure, yeah, okay.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:It was about two weeks before she passed away. Yeah, and she did not, so she took it with her to the grave, mm yeah.
David Lyons:I'd put five bucks on somebody in her family that knows or has it. Though I've said that over and over, I'd put five bucks. It's somebody she's divulged that to. The other woman divulged it to. Oh yeah, so there's people walking around with this on their heart and somehow they live with themselves with it, which I don't understand. Right it tells you what kind of people they are. Right, speaking of him missing, you all already have a place to bring him home to at the cemetery, don't?
Speaker 3:you this is.
David Lyons:Yeah, a beautiful monument. I just can't imagine, as a parent, having to make a resting place for my child.
Sandra Hasty:This funeral's paid for. What we're doing now is paying on the vault.
David Lyons:Right exactly.
Sandra Hasty:We paid on the funeral for two years.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:First we put up the headstone, then we prearranged the funeral. That's paid off. And then mom decided that she did want a vault for whatever remains can be found.
David Lyons:Sure sure.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:And so now we're paying on a vault.
David Lyons:Yeah, Is there any way the community can help you all with that? Do you have any programs set up, any GoFundMes or anything? Have you asked? We haven't.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:But if somebody wanted to, they could just directly go to Fox and Friend Funeral Home in Stanford. Kentucky for Michael Gourley's vault or funeral arrangements, or whatever.
David Lyons:What's the name of the funeral home? Again, then.
Sandra Hasty:Fox and Friend Funeral home same from Kentucky.
David Lyons:Okay, so somebody could pump into that and do that too. What else would you ask the community to do? What else? I mean, because these are small, I don't think people understand maybe how unique Junction City is and Stanford and Lancaster and Lincoln County and Gary County, that these are not big, dense populated areas. Are they County and Garrard County, that these are not big, dense populated areas. Are they? Mckinney? Lord, that's a holler in a mountain right. So everybody knows each other and everybody knows these things.
Sandra Hasty:Everybody knows Michael.
David Lyons:That's what I'm saying. What would you ask those people to do If you could get them to do kind of like you did with the woman that was dying?
Sandra Hasty:Roll a conscience. You know I mean just if you weren't involved and you know what happened. Just speak up. You know you can remain anonymous. You just call KSP Post 7, 859-623-2404.
David Lyons:That's it.
Sandra Hasty:You know, yeah, anonymous stuff works.
David Lyons:Speak from experience. I mean, we like to have witnesses and stuff like that, but what Thornberry and everybody is waiting on is that next piece to have a pulse. Come back to the case again.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Well, what I want? Is to bring Michael home Everything else will follow Sure, or it won't follow, right? I only want to bring Michael home. Exactly, that's my concern.
David Lyons:And again, follow right. I only want to bring my exactly. That's my concern. And again, if somebody would have a conscience and check their heart and put themselves in your all shoes, maybe that they would do that. I think that's what I would hope somebody in the community would do, and not wait till you're dying. Right, I mean a little bit late could be a little bit late right yeah, so, and again, I think that's a reasonable thing to ask people in the community.
Sandra Hasty:Because if you were involved and don't tell what happened to my child, you're not going to be up there with the Lord. I'm sorry.
David Lyons:No, I've always said it the people walking around this go ahead and drag your tail in the church on Sunday and Wednesday night and pretend.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Yeah, pretend, and the ones that we know of that are involved, that are still living. Come forward, get it off your chest.
Speaker 3:That's it.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Just from my observation, they appear to me like they're in a living hell.
Sandra Hasty:All we care about is finding Michael. Okay, that's all we care about Find Michael.
David Lyons:Bring him home to that resting place. Bring him home, let us know where he's at. That's all we care about Bringing him home to that resting place.
Sandra Hasty:Let us know where he's at. That's all we care about. You know, write it down, send it to you know. Somebody you know, send it to you know. Even if you just write it down you know and stick it in my mailbox or Jennifer's mailbox or your KSP mailbox preferably. Yeah, that's it.
David Lyons:Yeah, exactly, they're the ones who are going to really like it.
Speaker 3:They don't want you messing with my mailbox.
David Lyons:Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:But the people that are still alive, that we know of that are involved. From my observation, they look like they're in a living hell. Well, they are they look rough?
Speaker 3:Yep, I mean don't take it easy through the grave. I feel like that'd be a remarkable commandment, if you put it that way.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Do the right thing. Come forward, you know. Help us bring Michael home. That's all we're asking.
Sandra Hasty:That's all we want.
David Lyons:That would be the right thing to do.
Sandra Hasty:That's all we want. Bring Michael home.
David Lyons:That'd be the right thing to do. Well, thank both of y'all sitting down and for the updates on everything. That's why, again, like we started out with, is that there's some anniversaries none of us want to have, but in this case, people need to know that y'all waited for 10 years and it's so long overdue and that a lot of other families out there are waiting longer than they should, and hopefully maybe somebody will hear or watch this and it will turn their heart and maybe we'll get something different for Michael.
Sandra Hasty:I pray for all the families of the missing and murdered.
David Lyons:I really do. You do so much for them.
Sandra Hasty:Because they pray for me, I pray for them. There's power in prayer. Trust me, there is.
David Lyons:I used it when I was investigating cases and I still pray for you all and Michael, and I pray for all the people we contact and everything, and one of my favorite ones is the prayer to turn. Hearts is to do that, so I'm a big believer in it. That's why I don't doubt that somebody spoke to you over and over again.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Oh yeah.
David Lyons:And that's why you know the things. You know and those are going to be the things that are important to that case is that definitely there's a guardian angel or two that are really watching and taking care of business and doing their part that they can. We just need the people walking us out on face of the earth to finish it up.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Right, and I've looked at I couldn't tell you how many Dateline episodes since this. I never watched it before Michael went missing, but I've watched so many since then just to see how their case got solved.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:Yes, what they did, you know, did they do something different? Could we have done something different? Stuff like that. But I've seen some cases and I thought they got solved after 13 years, some 20 years, some longer than that, and so I will never lose hope. I mean because if their cases can get solved after 13, 15, 20 years, this one's 10 years out. But keep the faith that in God's timing it'll be done, very, very well said.
Sandra Hasty:And I'm a pretty stubborn woman, I couldn't put that together. Since I mentioned it, I'm not going to die until my son is found.
David Lyons:Exactly I was going to say every time I talk about you, that's one of the first things I talk about is how you can take something so painful and dig in and do good with it. So I think that's super commendable. I think that's super commendable. I think that's super commendable. I don't know if I could.
Sandra Hasty:I get a lot of strength from the families that are missing and murdered. Just as they draw strength from me, I draw strength from them.
David Lyons:That's what I've gathered.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:And I think that that's a huge thing to do is to lean on each other. With the vigil each year coming together, you learn a lot.
Speaker 3:Right.
Jennifer Gorley Coffey:When you get to talk to other families that's been through this and you can kind of compare notes of what the police told them or the detective what they done, what we done, what worked, what didn't work, how you got results and it's kind of a good networking that goes on.
Sandra Hasty:So you say everybody at the vigil. Well, except one except one. That case has been solved okay and the person's doing prison time. One person that I know of that comes to the vigils, that's it. Everybody else either has been murdered or missing family member, and you know that's just like Desiree Sparks still waiting. Got the man in jail still waiting. It went from April to September. Now, before he goes to court, that's a whole.
David Lyons:other frustrating thing is that how long it takes to get into court, and we've talked about it on the show and she was found in four days. Well, maybe we can talk to more people that are in missing and murdered and see if they want to cover some cases and things like that, and maybe we can look at one day finding a very respectful way to maybe show people what the vigil looks like. But we'll talk more about that right it has to be sensitive to the people.
Speaker 3:That are there, so thank you all again.
David Lyons:Um, it's uh, if it definitely, if we get updates and stuff, let us know so that we can keep the community and the people that are praying for you all updated on this too.
Sandra Hasty:So thank you, thank you, thank you.
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