Back On The Case! Finally!

The mics are live again and the purpose is sharper than ever. After months of moving chaos, a dismantled studio, and a nasty bout of cervical nerve pain, we return with a Season 12 recap, a clear-eyed plan for Season 13, and a commitment that guides every decision: we never rush families for the sake of content.

We walk through the moments that mattered last season—Linda Price’s disappearance told with her mother and son, Detective Eddie Pearson’s plain-language guide to deception detection, a documentary-style revisit to Rhonda Day’s case that helped local media reengage, and the high-voltage “Three Things” debates on Karen Read and Susan Smith. Then we look forward. The most requested story is back with a major development: Whatever Happened To Little Timmy now has a meaningful update. If you didn’t catch the news months ago, you’ll hear it here—because Tim reached out when he was ready. That’s the standard. Consent first, always.

We also preview new work: an interview with a former detective on a Kentucky case involving an 18-year-old killed by an over-the-road truck driver, plus out-of-state cases we’ve been quietly building. Along the way, we celebrate the community that kept us moving—book tours for True Crime and Consequences, radio panels, local bookstore events, a classroom Q&A, and even a joyful detour with Buffett Jeep Girl and a Radio Margaritaville feature that proves light can live alongside hard truths.

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• 19:27 Marker 01

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David: 0:01

You know, one thing that I just don't ever want to do, I don't tap these families on the shoulder to re-record with them. If they feel like it's time and uh and it's right and they've got a message, then then we're open to that. But uh I think we both agreed a long time ago we are not exploding.

Wendy: 0:16

Yeah, we didn't, and you know, last week Tim reached out to me and said, I'm ready.

David: 0:22

That's it.

Wendy: 0:23

And it just had to be in his time. Morning. The podcast you're about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assault and adult language. Listening description is advised. Welcome back to the Murder Police Podcast. Finally. David, tell all of our listeners, viewers, etc. Where where have we been hiding?

David: 1:10

Yeah, that's that's a that's a good question because we have been kind of uh off the air, I guess you could say, for months. I know we've gone a few weeks at a time without putting any material out, but this this was a long stretch. Been hiding. Exactly.

Wendy: 1:22

We didn't even get to go anywhere good to hide.

David: 1:24

That's true. Yeah. It uh it uh we were kind of like in moving hell is what it was.

Wendy: 1:29

Is that we moved.

David: 1:30

Yeah, that's a big deal, big deal. Uh if you know anybody that wants six acres on a small hobby farm that is ideal for horses, ours is still for sale. But now we're in another house just a few miles away, uh still in the same nice rural county in Justin County in Nicholasville, which we love this town. Uh but uh moving just was enough to almost destroy your soul. Would you agree?

Wendy: 1:52

It crushed my spirit.

David: 1:54

It crushed my spirit too. And to the fact that I think we've agreed we'll die in this house. We're not backing up and moving again. So that said it it it it was a matter of um finding out once you found this this beautiful place that we're in and you'd knocked it out of the park like usual, is uh finding that and then the uh the packing, the organizing, the hiring, the movers, the moving things. Exactly. Unpacking and then preparing.

Wendy: 2:18

The unpacking took longer than the packing because you don't know where anything's gonna go in the new house.

David: 2:22

Yeah. As a matter of fact, I was on the phone with a uh a guy today and I was like, let me call you back because I know what I'm looking for, and and I had to find it. I just couldn't remember where you put it. So you get in, but at the same time, you know, you're completely evacuating the old house and getting it ready for to be shown by the realtor. Horrible. So that said, you know, the the podcast thing was all dismantled, the studio was dismantled, the everything was up in the what I call the travel boxes or travel crates for when we go shoot remotely. And I guess you know, a couple of times I thought, can we put something together? But we were honestly just really that buried in hustling to move.

Wendy: 2:56

Well, and on top of all that, we still have I'd like my whole real job that we had to do in between time. You were still out on the road. So I was still trying to do it.

David: 3:07

As a matter of fact, I remember when we found the house, it was like magically. I had three weeks when I wasn't on the road. That never you know, just that was natural. I didn't have to cancel anything, so that worked out good too. So, you know, so we've been in the house for a little bit and we're kind of settled in and we're putting the the new studio together with uh some little bit of different equipment and whatnot, and the arrangements are different. And then, you know, I thought I was going to be able to get us some material put out in the last few weeks, and then I got knocked with uh I was in Coatesville, Pennsylvania the week before Christmas working, woke up on Thursday morning and had a revisit from an old friend called cervical nerve damage, where if I've had that several years before, a few times before, where you wake up and you remember years ago I thought I had a torn rotator cup. Yeah.

Wendy: 3:49

I think it's just the common man cold.

David: 3:51

Yeah, it's it's worse than the common man code. But for that, is that you know, uh sleeping, you know, I've it it just doesn't happen. And yeah, there's uh without crying too much about it, there's really not any medication you can take to dull it. And uh as odd as it sounds, I've told you before that one of the most difficult things is to pet the dog or to use a mouse. And that sounds weird, but it's like I still have strength in that arm and my right arm, but to move a mouse, you've seen me start and having to stop. And then same thing with the dog, it's like I'll get up in the morning and right at that angle to pet her with my right hand hurts.

Wendy: 4:26

That said, um I'm no doctor, but I'd suggest using the other.

David: 4:30

Yeah, well, I do, yeah, for sure. But I'm just telling you that that's how bad that pain is on that. So that said, we finally kind of got it got things settled in here the other day and thought we can we can start. Yeah. And so what we want to talk a little bit about is uh, you know, we left off with being finished with season 12, which was a pretty good season. We're starting season 13, which that'll be nothing but best of luck. And and even though 13's uh an unlucky number is that some of the stuff that we have planned, I think people are really gonna like, very unique stuff. It's uh uh well, some of the casework we would that we have planned. But looking back, um uh you know, we got all the animals safely rehomed for people that are wondering about that, the minis, my quarter horse, the chickens. Uh the only people the only thing.

Wendy: 5:12

All the way down to the chickens, we found good homes.

David: 5:14

Oh, yeah, for sure. Very good homes. I'm I'm pretty sure they're not in that crock pot right now. It's because of who we found. And then uh the only animals that came with us that we know of so far is Becca the dog and Figaro the cat. So they're they're they've all settled in and doing well. Um, season 12, some of the stuff that we talked about in that is we finally had an opportunity to produce uh Linda Price's missing case. She went missing around the same time as Michael Gorley did about 10 years ago, coming on 11 years now. And we got to record that with uh uh Linda's mother and her son, two fantastic people. Yes. Um hopefully one day we get to have them back on for an update. But they uh like all of our guests, so well spoken, and and I think we got to know who Linda was. Um and we had uh Detective Eddie Pearson back. I know.

Wendy: 5:58

Eddie, if you're watching, I know you're just awesome. And I'll still say his poor wife.

David: 6:05

Yeah, but he's amazing and so well spoken, so learned. He uh he came back this time, you know. He had done polygraph before, and he came back with uh deception detection. Yeah. And again, I was I'm telling you, I did that for a living, but I'm like on the edge of my seat.

Wendy: 6:19

He named things and all you can do is just close your eyes and or look down at your feet and don't even make eye contact with them in.

David: 6:25

He's just gonna read your soul. He is, he does. So we did that one, that's worth it. Um then we did two episodes on the other project that I finished in June. Is uh Scott Harvey came back in and hijacked the show again, you know. Uh uh speaking of Harvey as his show. And he did he we did a couple episodes just for me and him talking about my book, True Crime and Consequences, which if you haven't got it, please, please go to Amazon and grab it. It'll be worthwhile. But it uh we did so you can go back and see what the context of the book is by with the interview with him. Then we went back to our three things concept again. Yes. Which is which are we try to space them out because I know that not all the audience is crazy about them because we promise we we do have real cases coming. We're in good shape on that. But uh we covered uh Karen Reed and we we asked, is this this generation's OJ Simpson? And of course, on YouTube, just an avalanche of of comments and stuff and community, which which is what we're looking for. Um hot button case. Either people are in Karen's camp or they're not. And it it's one of those things that uh that's an enigma that'll go on forever. Um we did after that one, we reproduced a case for a beautiful family that I that I love in Louisville on Ronda Day. Rhonda Day's been missing out of Louisville, I think, for about, if I can remember correctly, roughly about a decade as well. And we had done an audio interview with them back before we were uh actually filming a whole lot. But the family reached out and they wanted to see if we could uh try to pull it off again. And I'd been wanting to try to do a press release to get the media interested in going back and interviewing these people again to keep that case alive. So we we did what I think was uh a new style for us, a documentary style. I think it looked good. The audience can look for more of those to come because I really enjoyed producing those. But uh I think it was pretty it worked out pretty good because for Rhonda Day and her family is the uh the media did pay attention, and if I remember correctly, three of the local media outlets visited the family, interviewed them, and reproduced and shot the show again. And that's what this is about. Can we get people to stay interested in these? Um and then we turned right around and did another three things on Susan Smith. That was one of them that you felt passionately about.

Wendy: 8:42

Yeah.

David: 8:43

I don't think there's a mother that wouldn't feel passionate about that. And again, that was an avalanche of of comments and community on on YouTube, specifically with people that uh uh should she ever get out of prison, you know, because she I guess she was coming up for Perot and it was in her sights, and that's always a a big deal. So that kind of wraps up where we were with season 12 with all of those episodes, and season 13 is is gonna be a lot of fun as well. Um we can go ahead and tell people that the next episode that we're gonna drop is uh if you remember um whatever happened to Little Timmy, uh several episodes, seven or eight last year.

Wendy: 9:20

I think it was maybe nine.

David: 9:21

Maybe nine, yeah. I'd have to look back and see.

Wendy: 9:23

That's the most we've ever done.

David: 9:25

It is, but we had the opportunity.

Wendy: 9:26

That case was just crazy, and there were so many people to interview.

David: 9:33

Well, yeah, there were so many people, friends and family that loved little Timmy, and and the idea that they humanized him so well in that. And uh so what's gonna come out uh the next episode that that you'll be able to download will be an update with that.

Wendy: 9:47

We actually just met with them a couple of days ago.

David: 9:50

So it'll come out Tim and Ashley.

Wendy: 9:51

Yeah.

David: 9:52

And uh there are some major updates. Now I will tell you that uh in the linear timeline, the updates occurred several months ago. Uh so a lot of people may have followed it in local news. But if you didn't, you need to listen to the show. Yeah. And I'm not gonna let the cat out of the bag what the updates are, but they're profound and big updates. And the reason it it took us a while too is not only because of of the move, but um, you know, one thing that I just don't ever want to do, I don't tap these families on the shoulder to re-record with them. If they feel like it's time and uh and it's right and they've got a message, then then we're open to that. But uh I think we both agreed a long time ago we are not exploiting.

Wendy: 10:32

Yeah, and we didn't, and you know, last week uh Tim reached out to me and said, I'm ready.

David: 10:38

That's it.

Wendy: 10:38

And it just had to be in his time.

David: 10:40

That's it. Yeah. So the the news, people, if if you're not aware of it, uh go back and start listening to those episodes of whatever happened to Little Timmy. This is big, it's huge. Uh, but it's important that these people do that on their time. If there's anything that we're giving them an opportunity to metabolize this, that's that. Um also got some other cases. There's some things I've been stirring in the pot that are out of state that we've got to get to that uh we're gonna have to uh anchor in and finish. And now that we're kind of settled in and I think I'm on the mend, we'll be able to do that. I know one that we're gonna be interviewing a uh uh former detective very soon about a f an amazing case of an 18-year-old woman that was killed by an over-the-roll truck driver here in Kentucky years ago. And uh uh we'll just leave it at that. It's a it's a profoundly powerful case, and it will leave people with a lot of questions on how that happened and what happened with it. So tons of stuff coming. Tons of stuff coming. And um we'll make that offer that we do sometimes again, too, is that if you have a case that you feel strongly about, run it by us and and see if we can make the logistics work and if it fits both of us for who we are and what we're doing, we'd be glad to look and talk about that uh and see if we can produce a case with you. That's that's always an option, too. Um now we've done some public things. Uh you've been with me on some, some you haven't because you weren't available or whatever. But part of that book launch on that true crime and consequences is book touring and signings and promotions and things like that. So uh this it was neat to how we had some people that were very helpful on that. Uh for example, just to thank a few people, uh Jack Pattywood, WVLK, uh had me on the radio show. We are going to be on his show again, I'm pretty sure. He likes it when we come on. Uh the only thing stopping us from being like regulars would be me being on the road so much, but we'll be back on Jack. And then also I actually got to do a book signing out in in in uh Texas at the Salty Book Boutique in Books in Texarkana, Texas. And that was just that to have somebody uh host a place and make it available to have people come meet and sign the books was incredible. So for my friends at uh Salty Books, uh thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Uh locally, the Kentucky Book Store in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky. And uh, and since that's real local to our local audience, if uh it's housed inside of their their gourmet store in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky. Uh got to go visit them.

Wendy: 13:06

Uh I did go to that one.

David: 13:08

Oh, yeah, for sure. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, we had a line out the door prepping.

Wendy: 13:13

You probably never felt so famous in your whole life.

David: 13:15

No, no, no, no, probably not. Probably won't again. Probably won't again. So thank you to the Kentucky bookstore. I'd highly recommend them anyway for anything like that.

Wendy: 13:23

It was just a very neat, eclectic little store. It had books, but then they also had like desserts that were made locally and preserves that were made local. They just had so much stuff.

David: 13:36

Yeah, and it's in Lawrenceburg. What a beautiful city. Yeah. What a beautiful city. Um after that, I jumped on a plane and headed out to Grapevine, Texas a little bit after that. Uh I got invited to uh uh attend the uh uh the horror book fest hosted by Talking Animals Bookstore in Grapevine, Texas. And they had a brewery that we had it at, and that was huge too. There were uh they had lots of authors there with what we'd call pop-up tables. And then I was invited to speak on a panel to talk about true crime and and got to meet another author, but a a producer as well, named Claire Saint-Mom. And uh she has a book, I'm just gonna recommend it to people right now because I read it cover to cover very quickly, called Killer Story. Uh, Claire has been in the background, I'm one of those people that produces your favorite true crime shows on network TV. And her book is about what that looks like on the back end, and it's crazy. It's amazing. Her experiences like trying to hunt a story or much like a detective's. That said, that was a really good thing to go attend and meet a lot of people, moved a lot of books and and uh and whatnot too. Uh we both went to Tate Creek High School.

Wendy: 14:45

Yeah.

David: 14:45

Uh Larry Dean Casey invited us out there for his criminal justice class. That's something we like doing to talk about true crime and crime and whatnot. Good group of kids out there. And uh, and then we got really blessed too with uh uh a real quick thing from W-L-E-X-18 here in town as they they uh they they came, I went to their place and we interviewed and talked about the book. And that parlay the next morning. What was great about how they timed that is I have to make a real big thank to thanks to a couple people in town that you and I both know. Erica Free with uh Lexington Podcast. Yeah. And then Chad Walker with the Warehouse Block. And Chad and Erica hosted that uh meet and greet live podcast, book signing, book launch uh here in Lexington, which was well attended as well. And uh I was flattered the humility meter was was pegging. Chad is just a terrific fan. And uh just on his own, he just decided to hey Wancho come out here and they had pizza, they had pizza and it was the special drink.

Wendy: 15:47

The drinks. I loved how they named the drinks after, well, like the Lockem Down Judy.

David: 15:52

Oh, yeah, they had a lock them down.

Wendy: 15:53

And they even asked what was our favorite drink, and I that was like the signature drink. It was so cool.

David: 15:57

So Erica and Chad, thank you for the thought. That meant a great deal to both of us.

Wendy: 16:01

And I do have to say, one of I'm not that all of not that any of the people that attended were any more important than anybody else because we were grateful to have so many people show up. But I do have to say, my heart got a little warm when I looked up and saw my very favorite Cassie Robinson there.

David: 16:18

Oh, yeah, they did the corner of Justin County.

Wendy: 16:20

And I just have to say, you know, Cassie's getting ready to run for coroner of Justin County. And I know that all of our listeners aren't from there, but we had Cassie on early on when we did um, you know, uh, what it takes to be a coroner. Exactly. And we we had her on with with uh the coroner Michael Hughes. That's kind of all from my hands for the first time.

David: 16:50

We have to share it.

Wendy: 16:50

Well, you know, a lot of people don't know, you know, we try to not share a lot of personal stuff about us on here, but for years I have been a Jimmy Buffett for years, just as my director would call it, obsessed. She said, I think it got worse after he died. It probably did. Um, but you know, I love Jimmy Buffett, I love his music, and you know, he passed September 1st, 2023. And um so I was really glad I had to tribute him somehow. Because he brings so many smiles, his music. How can you just not be happy? So um I was too afraid to get a tattoo because you know I'm horrified of needles. Although I did see some really cool tattoos on um different Jimmy Buffett sites and Margarita Bill Parrothead sites online, but I just couldn't do it. I was too afraid. So I I went and I attributed to him uh I found just the brightest gecko green Jeep and put my idea to work and found a really great uh graphic designer, and I detailed the entire Jeep, it's just done and everything, Jimmy Buffett. So I went ahead and got my own Facebook page called Buffett Jeep Girl. Please look me up and follow my adventures in this. For sure. Go to Facebook. Yeah, go to Facebook. Please like it and follow it. You know, you'll make my head swell as big as that one since he's got the book. Yeah, Buffett Jeep Girl. And um, so you know, it just is the journeys of that. So every now and then I'll throw a Buffett quote in there. But so you know, I've had this Jeep in some different Jeep shows. I've taken it to Margarita Build and a couple of places, and they've loved it. And well, I went down this past year at Labor Day, the our past Labor Day weekend, they did a big um second line parade for Jimmy Buffett. And of course, that's you know his stomping ground down there, not where he's from, but certainly where he got his start. And so I took off down there and they made me promise next year for that parade to flatbed the Jeep down because I'm not doing that drive. Yeah, it's a long drive, and have that lead the parade. So I'm so excited it's gonna lead, it's supposed to lead the parade if all works out. But you know, I just was listening to Radio Margaritaville one day on Sirius XM Radio, and they feature every week a fruitcake on the radio. And every week I'll listen to it, and people tell their tales of how they're the biggest Jimmy Buffett fan and why, and you know what his music meant to them. And you get to play four songs. So I was sitting there one day, and I thought, you know what? I know that he has tons of fans, but maybe they're not as crazy as I am with doing a Jeep. So what the heck I'm gonna try. So I decided to message JD Sproadlin, who heads up the fruitcake on the radio show. I mean, Among his daily show on Radio Margarita Ville. I submitted pictures of the Jeep, told him what a big fan I was, and the next day he emailed me and told me we gotta get you on the radio. So we did, and I recorded that last week. And so this Friday, um, January 16th, the debut, I think at one o'clock it's going to be on. And then three other times the following week, I believe it's a total of four times. So I'm so excited. I sit right here in the studio and recorded it uh via Zoom with JD. So if you have Sirius XM Radio, Radio Margarita Villes on channel 24, and you can hear me talking about my four songs and why they mean to me, what they mean, and I'm I'm the next fruit cake on the radio.

David: 20:53

That is too cool. That is yeah, that is over the day, because I know you're super excited about that. I'm super excited to hear it too. Yeah. Well, what's really neat about that with the Key West thing is that I uh is I think we'll be there before the Jimmy Buffett parade at some point because we like going down there. But I just got a message uh the other day from Anna Slavin, who's a shout out to Anna. Big fan of Anna, we'd love to hooked up and had meet her and lunch and dinner with her and her husband in Key West. So that's our Key West ambassador, is Anna Slavin. So she'll be excited about that too. We'll have to make sure that we uh that she knows we're coming. So when you said that, is that first thing I thought of it was Anna and her husband. So that'll be good news. Well, congratulations to your thank you.

Wendy: 21:31

You're serious. Yeah, I'm very serious.

David: 21:34

Yeah.

Wendy: 21:35

Please go listen.

David: 21:36

Yeah, go. It's it's two times.

Wendy: 21:37

And don't forget, go like Buffett Jeep Girl on Facebook and watch those adventures that I take.

David: 21:42

Oh, for sure. Go go right now when we get done watching this and do that too. Speaking of doing things, what we'll wrap up with is a few things that we'll ask. Is that one, we've always loved the support, uh, the downloads, the the the it we're still pinching ourselves at at what the metrics look like for just something that we stitch together here at the house. It's a lot of fun. But if you haven't done it already, uh in addition to going to Facebook and and finding Buffett Jeep Girl and liking that, please go to the YouTube and find um uh the Murder Police Podcast channel and subscribe to us there. We've we've grown there quite a bit. We were interested in continuing to grow there as well. Um buy David's book, my book, uh uh True Crime and Consequences. Let me say that again.

Wendy: 22:27

Buy David's.

David: 22:28

I know I did just slid out because it's on the notes that way.

Wendy: 22:31

You should totally leave this. That gives you a little glimpse into who David really is. Oh, yes. And don't forget to buy David's book, True Crime and Consequences.

David: 22:41

Yeah, it's on Amazon and all your Barnes and Noble, all your finer reading materials. You're famous.

Wendy: 22:47

Almost as famous as me.

David: 22:48

For sure, yeah. Almost. Yeah, exactly. Watch for appearances 2026. I'm gonna change our website when I get a chance to add like where we've been and where we're where we're going. Uh a lot of those we do together when when the schedules allow, but uh that'll continue too. I do know that in February for my local people, and I'll list this on there, is uh we'll be at the uh Clark County Library in Kentucky, in Winchester, Kentucky, for a true crime night there too. So that'll all be listed as well. Um let us know if you got cases that mean something to you. Not all of them fit. We may not be the fit for you all the time, and and likewise, but we'd like to entertain doing those, especially with my Kentucky people that are right here close to home where it'd be easier to produce. We're always interested in doing that too. And uh we'll throw this out there too, that if if you're planning any kind of true crime event or discussion, anything like that, and we would be flattered and honored if we invited to be your guest to maybe participate in a in a round table and a uh any kind of a talk, anything like that or presentation, is that we would love to do that. And uh we always bring swag. People who have seen us do this, we bring swag. Nobody walks out without something from the podcast. And uh usually lately, as of lately, I bring the book at a really severely discounted price. It's not what you're gonna pay at uh Amazon. So think about those things. If you'd like us to come, we'd love to come visit you. So that's all I've got.

Wendy: 24:16

That's all I've got. I'm excited for 2026 to see what we've got in the season 13, baby.

David: 24:22

Season 13. Yep. Hang on tight, hang on tight. All the good stuff is coming. So thank you again and take care.

Wendy: 24:29

Thank you.

David: 24:31

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