The Murder Police Podcast
The Murder Police Podcast
An Update On The Timmy Sterner Case And A Family’s Fight For Answers
A father’s worst fear met a hard truth: remains found near a previously searched area were identified as Little Timmy Sterner. We invited Timmy’s dad, Tim, and stepmom, Ashley, to share what changed, what hasn’t, and how a family holds steady when communication from investigators goes quiet. The conversation moves from the moment the detective confirmed the ID to the agonizing weeks of no callbacks, and the practical fallout—memorial plans paused, questions multiplying, and a city’s attention drifting while a family can’t sleep.
We unpack the scene details that matter for investigators: the proximity to a known house, the pet cemetery nearby, and the personal items still in his pockets, including a jail card and debit card. From there, we walk through the forensic realities of skeletal analysis—how labs assess bones for trauma, tool marks, and environmental effects to determine cause and manner of death. It’s slow work, but it’s essential, and it deserves clear, regular updates to the people who are living with the consequences. The heart of this episode is simple: respect the dead, and honor the living with information they can hold onto.
Timmy and Ashley speak candidly about grief without closure, the need for accountability, and the question that haunts every parent: why. We also make a direct plea to the community. Someone knows what happened after Little Timmy walked out of custody and into that house. If you’ve heard anything, come forward—your voice may be the missing piece that moves this case toward arrest and conviction. After recording, we received one meaningful step forward: the Kentucky State Police released Timmy’s remains to the family so they can lay him to rest. If you care about true crime that centers victims and demands answers, this story needs you.
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David:Hello, it's David with the Murder Police Podcast. The episode you're about to listen to or watch on YouTube is called Little Timmy Stirner, an update. It's based on Timmy's disappearance in Kentucky on April 9th, 2024. We aired eight episodes on this case, and I'd recommend going back and finding those episodes titled Never Forget Little Timmy. That'll get you caught up pretty good. Since we aired it, there's been some major updates to the case. And we sat down with his father, Timmy, and his stepmother Ashley to talk about what those updates are just recently. I'm also going to add that after we sat down and recorded with them, there was another important update. So I'm going to need you to stick around to the very end of the program that we have today and listen carefully and watch for what that latest update is as well. Take care and once again, never forget little Timmy.
Wendy:We have Timmy Stirner with us and his lovely wife Ashley, and we covered your old case on where's your your old son, little Timmy Stirner. So thank you for coming back. Thanks for having us.
David:Yeah, we're really grateful for the trust in us to help carry the message in and whatnot. So it uh and I think the reason we sat down today is because it since the last time we recorded those several episodes, that there's been developments in Timmy's case. And so we were hoping that to the degree you're comfortable, if you want to share what those developments were, uh we we'd like to know. And I think the audience would like to know too, because a lot of people engaged Timmy's story on social media and on YouTube.
Wendy:A lot of people Yeah, we had a lot of episodes out there. Yeah, you know, at that time, as as you all recall, obviously very well. We you all were still trying to find him. So we did have a lot of engagement on that. And so now, like David said, there's been some development, and we're so grateful that you all came back to kind of update the listeners because not all things hit the news, or maybe people miss it in the news. So why don't you all tell us since we saw you last, what's come about Little Timmy's case? Uh you want to start?
SPEAKER_07:Um I think it was around mid to late March they found remains. Um they sent it off. They called us and told us that they had remains, that they was gonna send it off um to the lab. And it was towards the end of July when we got the call that it was little Timmy. Wow. So they they confirmed it. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:Well, we didn't get a call. The detective came and seen us and said it was my son.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You know, and ever since then we've been in the dark.
David:Yeah, that's the one thing we talked about before we sat down. Is that uh uh it sounds like you're a little frustrated that you're not really getting communicated with the line.
SPEAKER_04:We can't get a phone call. We we I I don't understand.
David:Yeah, I don't either. That's uh that's a pee of mine.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I tried to call several times and can't get nothing.
Wendy:Are they just not returning your old phone calls?
SPEAKER_04:Or not returning them at all. I I even leave text. A call.
Wendy:Do you think maybe they're going through or are they getting them, you think? The messages?
SPEAKER_05:Oh, they have Yeah. Oh yeah.
David:Well that's disappointing. Gotta be frustrating too. Oh yeah, it is. Because it while at at the one hand, finding his remains, which I'm sorry that you you had to go down that road. Right. I think you all, when we talked before, knew that that was a a probability because of the way things went down. So on the same side it gives you answers, but now uh without a lot of communication, you're left with more questions.
SPEAKER_04:No, none at all. Yeah, exactly. No, and we've and I don't understand why. Yeah. You know, they're out there supposed to be helping me.
David:Yeah, and and you I told you before that back when I was in the game, that was a a part of the part of the thing that happens or should happen with a detective is developing a relationship with the family. And there's families that even though it's been many years, that I stay in touch with today. And uh, and and because you're all that they've got. So uh hopefully they get better. Maybe they get better. I can't guarantee it. When I commanded our investigation section, I mean I ran where all of those detectives lived. I think most of them knew if I had a pet peeve, it was not communicating with your victim's family. It's part of the job, right? It's out chasing bad guys, but part of the job, big part of the job is replacing.
SPEAKER_04:I know you got a hard job and you you you go through a lot, I understand.
David:But but most of it is centered around you all. It it always has to be. So maybe, maybe they'll maybe they'll get better. I mean, let's let's hope.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, my son's and she done had everything memorial, everything lined up. They found him, got his remains.
David:Yeah. Let's go back to the can can we go back to the remains a little bit? Because I think that the people that paid attention to the first episodes will be curious, where were they found? Where were those remains found?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, so for well. So for well. After he got moved.
SPEAKER_07:An area that had already been searched.
David:Yeah. How how far away do you think it was from that house that he was at?
SPEAKER_04:Not very far at all. Yeah. Right. There was a pet cemetery up in there. Mm-hmm.
Wendy:It uh so maybe even less than a mile away.
SPEAKER_04:He was right.
Wendy:So that area that they found it definitely found it right there. He was that had been searched before and he was not there. Right. So then they go back and now they found it. What led them to go back? Do you all know?
SPEAKER_04:Um evidently I got talked to somebody or somebody said something.
David:That's a big advancement.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It was I mean on me. But still, it it's hard. It's a type. Yeah. I mean, you anybody out there lose a child. You just don't know how how hard it is. I swear. I mean, I have not slept for many, many, many nights.
David:I have no doubt. I think I might have said before, uh that's one place I try not to let my imagination go. Uh I think it it would break me. So my I'm you've been in my prayers, all of you have been in my prayers. Thanks. Uh it uh meeting a parent that loses a child, especially through cer suspicious circumstances or violence, uh I've always my heart's always gone out to him. Uh I just don't want to I hope I die and not have to deal with what you're doing with I hope I do. So close proximity to the big house that we talked about that he was that he went to, or I think I think if people go back and listen, they'll learn where we believe he was lured to right after getting out of out of uh prison. And that's so they they find his remains, they they they identify him. And I get uh where are the remains now that did last time you all were talking about not we didn't know about it.
SPEAKER_04:They never called us and let me know that.
David:How'd you find out the Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Uh finally from the coroner down here, the assistant coroner She had the medical examiner from Frankfurt call me.
SPEAKER_06:Oh good, good.
SPEAKER_07:And the lady said that she personally drove to Knoxville to pick them up, and they told her that they would not release that they wanted to do another search. Like there is more of them out there, but we've not heard anything else about that.
David:My bet would be because of of where they're at in Knoxville, is they're they're probably trying to determine how he died. Right. And that's so difficult with skeletal remains.
SPEAKER_04:And then I call somebody and let you know.
David:Well, there we go. We're back to that thing we started out with. I'm disappointed that somebody's not calling you and letting you know. Uh to explain that. Uh I I'm gonna bet that I'm right, but that should come from somebody else. Is that uh the next piece of what this investigation is is how did how did he die? Uh to what did somebody or or uh did he have a medical emergency or something and they just threw him out in the woods? I mean, so I I can get that, but again, we're back to what we started out with. You all just need to have more communication, there's no doubt. You're not the only family that we've run into that that's happening. I just met with a family that is having similar issues with an industry uh agency out in the Midwest. So uh again, back to it, hopefully they get better about that. Uh somebody from there should be telling you that. I but I just don't understand. Yeah, if it helps, I think that they're trying to determine how he died. And it's very difficult with those remains.
SPEAKER_04:The detective won't call back. Coroner won't call.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I mean, just nobody'll call. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And I I'm stuck here. Mm-hmm. In limbo, pretty much, you know.
Wendy:And I guess around town it's kind of quite down and nobody's really talking about it in town anymore.
SPEAKER_04:Well, they did. They did uh last month. It all all come in outlet of that was they didn't check his back pockets. You know, he had still had his jail card in his back pocket. And they knew, you know, I told him right then, yeah, that's Timmy.
SPEAKER_07:And had his jail card and his debit card. From, I guess, where he would make phone calls and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04:So they knew it was him. Yeah.
David:Had pretty good ideas.
SPEAKER_04:You know, I thought, you know, that the stake was gonna come down and tell me, hey, yeah, it was your son. That's all you got to tell me? It was your son, and then you get up and walk out. You know, why can't you what are you doing about this? Yeah, you know.
Wendy:So you were basically left with more questions than you had before. Yeah.
David:And that's that's the unfortunate thing that happens. Yeah. That's the unfortunate thing that happens.
SPEAKER_04:I don't understand. I just don't understand. Yeah. The system is, I don't know what's going on with the Yeah.
David:I think it I and I'll I'll just go to tell you, it's not so much the system, it's who's in it. And uh and you you can get people who are passionate and they believe and and they work and they don't stop. Uh you can get people that understand again that part of the obligation is to be close to you, right? Is to keep you informed, maybe even just to talk to you every now and then to get things off your chest. Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:You doing okay, Tim? Yeah. So y'all doing okay, y'all need anything.
Wendy:Just to let you know they haven't forgotten about you. Right.
David:Amen. It's uh that's part of the gig. Part of the gig. It's uh so hopefully again, I'll I'll say it again. Hopefully they get better about it. Hopefully they get better. I hope too. So it so it tell me tell me again now on the memorial that you've got plans. So those plans are parked right now till you can get into it.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, I mean I mean, I had already had a building, I was gonna go make a payment, then had, you know, um the a video in the work. Gotcha. Um everything.
SPEAKER_04:We had everything.
SPEAKER_07:I've been talking about like food and making invitations. I had to put it on pause. Yeah. Because he deserves to have his son's remains, you know, his ashes there. You know, I don't even called up at um a cremation place to, you know, finish having the remains cremated. And they're great people. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:They are great people. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:They was willing to take some money off just to help me out.
David:Oh, that's that's nice. That's nice. What what we can go ahead and talk about them if they're that if they're that nice. Who do you remember the name of the company?
SPEAKER_04:Oh well.
SPEAKER_07:And if we don't maybe care cremations. Yeah, care cremations. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I guarantee you say the same thing.
David:Well, hats off to care cremation. Yeah. Um, you know, because it uh to be able to to lean in and give somebody a hand and worst time of your damn life.
SPEAKER_04:They are right.
David:Hats off to them. So if if if we're looking uh let's go back a little bit again that it even though that was a quick visit by the detective, uh when they when they told you, when they sat down and told you that that how did that hit Tim? What did that feel like? Let me start with you and then Ashley.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, already knew it was him. So it wasn't a big reaction. Yeah. But he had to come down and tell me, you know, that official. But already knew it was him, so I you know, I kind of kept my my tools and all that. Yeah. But I go oh man, I go through so much you wouldn't believe. Every day. Every day, man. It gets it don't get no easier. You just can't close that door, you know.
David:I don't think it ever closes. It won't close. No, I don't think it closes.
SPEAKER_04:Um that door won't close. It's uh I just gotta deal with it every day. I don't know what else to do.
David:People all the time that we interviewed Greg Davis, Dr. Greg Davis, a medical examiner, and then he taught for that forensic stuff at UK, and he made a great remark one day. He said that there's really no such thing as closure. No. He used the word metabolizing. He goes, People who have had a loss like what you've had, over the years you weave it into who you are. So it never closes. But it's a matter of of getting in it, being able to breathe every day, being able to get out of bed every day. Um I d I gr I again, I don't think that you can just get past that.
SPEAKER_04:No, you don't. You don't. Everybody say, You're gonna get closer. You don't ever get closer. No. That door ain't ever gonna close. I'm sorry.
David:Not at all. Ashley, what about you when when you when you heard? Whether it was because you all let me go back here. You know, before he was found, if I remember correctly, there and this is common, there were reports, a few reports of remains in this general area. Um what did that feel like when you heard that they found new remains? That did your mind immediately go to It was him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we thought that that's what I think because I don't I haven't met a family yet. Yeah. That uh every time it Sandra Hasty with her son Michael Gorley is that uh the the pain that they go through every time a hunter or a fisherman stumbles across some remains is that is that my loved one is that my loved one. So when when back to it again, Ashley, what what did it feel like to you when you when you heard that that uh he was he was found or possibly found?
SPEAKER_07:Kind of the same as him, but I kinda still had hope that it wasn't.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Oh now some hope. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And I still don't want to believe it, even though No, we still don't want to believe it. But it's like until we have his urn, you know, I still kinda even though the detective told us it's him, I still Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I want to think that he's met a friend's house or something.
David:Yeah, just partying and enjoying it. Yeah, where he should be.
SPEAKER_07:I see random guys like walking down the street that kind of had his stocky build, and I'm like, is that him? You know, I still do it.
David:I've heard that from so many people who've lost somebody, is that they'll see somebody in a crowd and it'll take their breath away. Uh and I've had that happen even with people that that I just lost, didn't lose violently, is uh family members, is I'll see somebody and I'll be like, whoo, just for a second. Yeah. Just for a second. And uh it take that's how present they are in our mind. So as far as like where what you all would like to see, let's start. I think the number one thing you'd like to see on your list that we've established is more communication from the investigators. So we'll put that at the top of the wish list and arrest grade. There we go. That's where I want to go to next. Because nobody's paid for paid for an audience.
SPEAKER_04:Nobody has paid for what they have done.
David:I do. I think that where it comes back to why he's his remains are in Knoxville, Tennessee. Right. For what it's worth, hanging there, even though you haven't been toe-toe by somebody else, is that the the next step in this is that you find his remains and you have all that suspicious activity at the house, they ha unequivocally have to determine how he died. I don't understand. And unless they get some some other corroborating evidence through witness statements, and those are even difficult. So that'll be the next step is can they prove that? And that takes time. You know, it's uh even we covered Letha Rutherford. She went missing about 32, 33 years ago from Lexington. And I remember that her remains were found, and they were able to determine that she was probably a sharp-edged instrument like a knife was used on her because of some of the material they found on one of her rib bones. Crazy. And that was years ago. So there's been so many advances. And I and I will tell you that the the the people that the place that's in Knoxville specializes in examining bones and parts of bones to see if uh what kind of devices and tools might have been used. But there we go. The next thing is justice, is uh accountability. It's maybe accountable for what happened uh sooner than later. Sooner or later. Because we were just talking about the news thing you saw last night, a case that I worked uh 27 years ago. Yeah. Finally just got solved. They should never take that long. We would hope they wouldn't take that long, but um it was technology and science that rolled in on that. Now the hard part on that case without going to we'll cover that one at some point, is a year after he killed this woman in Lexington, the suspect killed himself. And there's the hard part is we don't get to see his butt go to trial. And that yeah, oh, that's hard. Yeah. Unequivalent. They know he did it. Yeah. But not being able to watch him go through the process.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, he killed himself. Yeah, oh yeah.
David:And so that there's justice served, maybe, but the idea that those family and friends deserve to sit in a courtroom. And that's what you all deserve. To sit in a courtroom, watch that circus, which uh I'm hoping it happens one day. You gotta give me a call so I can help walk you through it.
SPEAKER_04:I'm afraid that uh if they do do something in the court, date, I'd like to be there. Are they gonna call me? Yeah, I think they're gonna let me know, you know. Right. Hopefully the way this has been working out.
Wendy:Yeah, judging from what the way it's been going. You know, and I think in your old shoes, and I understand it takes a while to investigate the remains, David, like you said, but you have to think it's been months since they've had him.
SPEAKER_05:What?
Wendy:What what are we doing? How have we still months later? Well, we don't know where are we?
David:Well, it's the it's the update. Uh but I will I will tell you that it just takes time.
Wendy:Yeah, it takes time, but but putting yourself in their shoes I mean it'll be a year next month.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, exactly. I mean where he was, the car was there, everything else. What are they doing?
David:Yeah, yeah. Hopefully they're doing something.
Wendy:Right.
David:Hopefully.
Wendy:But an update would be nice. Like we haven't forgotten you. We are still working this case.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe once a week.
Wendy:Even once a week. Once a month would be you've got nothing. And that's really disappointing.
SPEAKER_04:Leave me up and just float around here. Yeah. You know, I've got to do that.
David:That's where your imagination starts to run away. And it does.
SPEAKER_04:Very man. Mm-hmm.
David:So yeah, not on the wish list is an arrest and then a conviction, right? Right. A good sturdy sentence. That's the next thing that we always got to worry about is what jurors, as Ray Larson used to call them, rest in peace, is jurors what what they do or don't do with it. Um is uh is it do they take care of business with these people? Right. Do they take care of this business sooner than later? Sooner than later.
Wendy:Then I think also why? Why'd they kill him?
David:Sure, yeah, that's that's the big thing.
Wendy:And you know, they'll never tell. No, but you could just to know why.
SPEAKER_04:What I don't get it at all. Why just y'all doing this to me?
SPEAKER_07:He just got out of prison. Yeah. Like what could he have done to you guys in one day? That warranted y'all killing him. I mean, we didn't even get to see him.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. She's bringing him down there to Atlanta the next morning. The next morning. To me.
SPEAKER_05:He was gonna come down here and live with me for a while. Didn't happen, did it? No.
David:That's why I want people to go back and look at those episodes because you all were really good and his friends were really good about that expectation of having that shot again. And them take and them robbing him.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
David:Took that availability away from him. Uh granted we want the the police to communicate with you more. The next thing is what can people in the community do? What do you think? Are there still people out there that probably know things that that would help the investigation? Yeah. So we would I guess we'd ask them to come forward.
Wendy:Yeah, and and you know, we always say in a lot of our episodes somebody knows something and nobody wants to tell. And I just wish people could put themselves in your all's shoes and think if it was their loved one, they would want somebody to tell. And if it comes out that they know something, they also will be convicted because they've not told what's there and they was involved. Yes, they know and they just didn't tell.
SPEAKER_04:And a lot of them are scared.
Wendy:Oh, I'm sure they are.
David:Some of them are. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But I tell you what, there's some out there that has come forward. What they ain't doing nothing about it.
SPEAKER_05:Hopefully they're in two witnesses. Detective did. What's going on? I just I just don't I just don't.
SPEAKER_04:I'm lost in the whole system here. I am.
Wendy:And it's sad to think this day and age that that our system is that yeah, that inept at getting staying in touch with families. It's just a phone call. And I understand they have caseloads, but they could take five minutes to carve out to let them know that they haven't forgotten you. A phone call, a text, an email, something.
David:Part of the job. I'm just gonna say that again, it's part of the job. So hopefully that improves. Uh so we definitely went to people in the community to to come forward, right? It uh because there's still more, you know, and there's there's not just the people that were there, there's the people they've towed, and there's the family that they've towed. And we've talked about that before, is that uh uh that they they they could be liable for some criminal conduct and that, but it at a minimum they're just unethical, amoral people to carry that on our heart and not share that. Uh and they better hope that that never visits them and their family one day.
Wendy:Right. It's uh Well, Timmy and Ashley, thank you all again for coming in and updating us and our listeners. I know so many people, like I said, you know, we present a case and people then wonder, well, wonder what happened, wonder where it is now. So thank you for updating us. And I hope the next time we sit down with you all, it's more you've had answers, you've gotten him back, and you're able to have that memorial. So, and again, there's never true closure, but I think at least if you can get him back, and most definitely if we can get this case solved, you all will know something. I think the question marks dancing around, it has to be the hardest thing. Not that any of it's easy, but not knowing is yeah, excruciating. So thank you all.
David:Thank you all very much. You know, you're in our prayers, uh, and uh we've we've really enjoyed getting to know you all. We really think the world of all of you, we really think the world of you guys. And uh very much we talk about it all the time.
Wendy:Yeah, and I just want to say again get together and go do something.
David:Amen, dinner, something for sure. I'd I'd love it. Uh and by the way, that's one thing too that I think that I'd like the audience to know is that uh uh you all reached out when you were ready to sit down again. Uh because it has been a while since you got the news. Yeah. But I remember when we saw it in the news, as uh me and Wendy talked about it, and I'm real big on not exploiting that or approaching it's all in your time. So as things develop, you know, you just reach out to one of us and let us know, but only when you're comfortable with it. Right.
SPEAKER_07:We had talked about it, and I'm like, well, I don't know if we're supposed to say anything. Yeah.
David:And and again, we haven't discussed anything today that would jeopardize the case. Right, right. And that's the number one thing is I'm you know, I'm passionate about that about not jeopardizing cases. But I I will say again, one more time, a lot of our listeners and viewers really paid attention to all those episodes. And I I they they get a vested interest and they're gonna be very interested to see how you're doing and where the investigation is so far, and that little window of opportunity that opened when when he was found.
Wendy:And I do want to also say, like I often say, somebody knows something. So if you're watching this, put yourself in this family's shoes. Uh I hope the guilt is eating you alive that you've been keeping it a secret this long. So if you know something, well, have the balls to come forward and tell on whoever you know who did it. That's big. That's impressive if you can tell what you know. Call it up. So if you're keeping it close to your chest, I hope it eats you alive every night.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, it does. You don't know how what I think at night. What I go to every night. I might not go to sleep for an entire night.
SPEAKER_05:Uh-uh. I'm up and just laying there.
SPEAKER_04:My mind's full of stuff. They try to give me medicine and stuff. I don't even take it.
Wendy:No one's still not gonna give you answers, is it? Might make you sleep, but you're not gonna have answers.
David:Hang in there and pray. Hang in there and pray. I don't remember not.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you all again.
SPEAKER_07:Thank you.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you for watching or listening to this update on the Timmy Stirner case. Just days after the filming, the Kentucky State Police made Timmy Stirner's remains available to them, fulfilling a great need for the family in order to memorialize Timmy and lay him to rest. Many thanks to the Kentucky State Police for coordinating the release of Timmy's remains.
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